The Scat Cast

White People Ruined Everything

June 05, 2024 • The Scat Cast • Season 1 • Episode 14

Share episode

Why are white people so evil? The answer to this question is finally discovered when delving into the teachings of the widely known but rarely understood Nation of Islam. Together, the boys learn the story of Yakub and his creation of a new evil race, and delve into how it all ties in with Scientology, the hollow Earth theory, aliens, and more. Alongside crazy theories about secret societies, government coverups, and the deep web-- you won't want to miss this week's enlightening episode of The Scat Cast!

Send us a message

Narration:

[Intro Music Starts]

Alphonso:

I am a firm believer that rules are meant to be broken. Like, there is never a rule that is concrete in every situation.

Darren:

And there was a political cartoon "quote unquote" someone like drew on a wall and it was all of the senators like doing a train and at the end of the train was Caesar.

Jon:

The new race is finally made-- the albinoids, also known as white people. And instantly they're just fucking evil. They're just-- they're so fucking like, they just hate everybody.

Alphonso:

[Evil white people noises]

Jon:

Yeah, I just imagine they're just [evil white people noises]. So, they go to his brother's house, and they have sex on the surface. Until eventually, they give birth to a little-- a little fucked up baby named Yakub.

Narration:

[Intro Music Ends]

Jon:

I'm Jon.

Alphonso:

I'm Alphonso.

Darren:

I'm Darren.

Alphonso:

And welcome to The Scat Cast, we don't know, either.

Jon:

We sure don't!

Alphonso:

Oh, boy, today. Wow. So Jon.

Jon:

Yeah?

Alphonso:

I've always had my nose and ears and eyes-- everything really, to the hidden part of the internet, uh conspiracy theories--

Jon:

Porn? Oh [laughs]. Like the deep web?

Alphonso:

I'm not gonna lie, I've always want to go on the deep web, but I was like, way too scared of like the FBI finding me. Like, I didn't know how to like do it. But like I know there's ways.

Jon:

I want to do it. But I've always heard it's really like underwhelming to actually go on there.

Darren:

Yeah. Have you watched Mutahar's Diving the Deep Web series?

Jon:

He went on it, like, over 100 times, didn't he?

Darren:

Yeah, like, like the first like 20 are pretty interesting. He's the one who like uncovered like the fucking, um, the Chinese like soup video.

Jon:

Yeah, yeah. Their heads look kind of like Pop! figures.

Darren:

That dude with like the-- he was like a prisoner. He Yeah.

Jon:

But they come out and they just, like, start rubbing his was eating soup. And then there's like the, like the giant shoulder and stuff while he eats and cries. like, um, mascots that were watching him. Kind of thing.

Darren:

Just like comforting him while he's eating soup and crying.

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

Oh my god.

Darren:

I don't know if it's fake or not, but it's still unsettling to watch.

Jon:

It-- it is fake. They found out like the backstory. They were stolen from like a umm--

Darren:

I mean, yeah, I know they were stolen, but they still could have used them for whatever purposes they want. Okay.

Jon:

Yeah, I think they found out it was fake, though. There's There's that.

Darren:

It's cool, I guess. another YouTuber I watch who, like, uncovers stuff like that, I think it was Scare Theater, actually. I don't know if you've

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

Okay.

Darren:

But yeah, um, the reason why he doesn't really do it ever seen him. But he, like gets on the truth behind like, random obscure videos like that. And I think he ended up saying like,"yeah, it's fake". anymore. I was listening to his podcast and he was like, "yeah, it's just not really interesting anymore."

Alphonso:

You got bored of the dark web?

Darren:

It's a lot of just, like, sifting through boring nonsense, like ARG stuff. And --

Alphonso:

ARG, what is that? I know it's like a-- what's that

Jon:

Alternate reality game. stand for?

Darren:

Yeah. It's like a game using web links kind of thing.

Alphonso:

Oh, that's, that's, that's the dark web? Or that's the majority of it, I guess?

Darren:

Well the dark web is just stuff they don't put on Google, kind of thing. It's not necessarily like an "evil Google".

Alphonso:

Ohh.

Jon:

"Evil Google." [laughs]

Darren:

It's just, it's just stuff they don't put on Google. So I mean, eventually, you'll find like child p*rn and human trafficking and drug stuff here and there. But, umm--

Alphonso:

But that's not the main part?

Darren:

For the most part, it's just like a bunch of shit.

Jon:

It's so like, well known at this point that people will just kind of put anything on it.

Alphonso:

Ohh, it's the internet with no filter.

Jon:

Yeah, they're just kind of like, "yeah, I want to have like a Google that's completely anonymous!" So they like use that instead, that type of thing. So they're not, like, tracked "quote unquote." But basically, everyone uses it for like little stuff.

Alphonso:

[laughs]

Jon:

I mean, it's really not like, as bad as it's, you know, presented. Like, obviously, all the bad stuff is still on there. But it's pretty-- just a search engine at this point. Like Tor is the one most people use-- like the Onion Browser or whatever. It's not that crazy.

Alphonso:

Oh, okay.

Jon:

Where are you going with that, though? Sorry.

Alphonso:

No, because I-- that was actually really-- I just learned a whole new thing. Wow. But no, I've been into a lot of like, conspiracy-esque things. And I've always kind of like, kept my nose into the dirt of like, what's going on? And so I want to bring up this thing about like, the whole secret society stuff. Now, Darren, if you wouldn't mind, can you just search up? I think it's called like... the Owl Island?

Darren:

Oh, no no no. It's Bohemian Grove.

Alphonso:

Bohemi-- thank you, thank you.

Jon:

Oh, where all the presidents hang out and stuff.

Darren:

As soon as you said owl I knew what the fuck you were

Alphonso:

Thank you. Thank you. But like Bohemian Grove was talking about. always like an interesting one to me. Because like-- Oh, well can you give a synopsis? I can't really fully break it down.

Jon:

Bohemian Grove is like-- it's an organization where you have people, like basically the elite from America. They all go there and it's just like this secret organization that they all the hangout-- it's basically a club.

Alphonso:

Yes!

Jon:

It's where they all go.

Alphonso:

Yeah.

Jon:

I think up until recently, this might have changed, it was like men only. But I think they--

Alphonso:

I thought Hillary Clinton was there at one point?

Jon:

Uh, as a guest, but you-- the guests have to leave before 10pm.

Alphonso:

Wow, no girls allowed!

Jon:

Well, just any guests like, yeah, no women but like, yeah. They might have changed that recently, I'm not 100% sure. But back in the early 2000s, it was actually Alex Jones who exposed it.

Alphonso:

That's what it was!

Darren:

I remember that!

Jon:

He snuck in and like had a video of them burning the giant fucking owl.

Darren:

Yeah, that was insane.

Jon:

Yeah. Like Alex Jones of all people! He went there-- I think that's actually what made him popular, was he did that.

Darren:

The savior of humanity right there.

Jon:

Jesus Christ.

Alphonso:

Yes, but thank you because I knew I was going to talk about, but I didn't know where to go.

Jon:

The Manhattan Project was actually planned out there. Like it's actually really historically--

Alphonso:

They decided to make a nuke?

Jon:

Well, yeah, Oppenheimer was there. Like all the people that were planning it out, they planned it out at Bohemian Grove, like a party and stuff. And like the entire thing is it's like, um, what is it? It's like, no matter what political affiliations you have, you go there and you just drop all that at the door. You're-- you're part of the club when you walk in.

Darren:

This shit is like an anime.

Alphonso:

Yeah, it is!

Jon:

It's not, it's not the"abandon hope ye who enter here". It's like, essentially, like--

Alphonso:

"We are collective."

Jon:

That's like, their slogan is like, "Forget everything else at the door when you walk through the door." Basically is

Alphonso:

Yeah, like, "We are us." what it is.

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

Yeah, exac-- that is.. wow.

Jon:

And obviously people tie it in with like, "Oh, they're part of the Freemasons, they're part of the Illuminati." People don't really know for sure, because no one's-- you have to be elite to

Alphonso:

Exactly. But that's my whole thing. Like there are a be in there. lot of, well, I'll bring up this. We all-- we all knew about Diddy air quotes. We've all heard scandalous shit about Diddy. We've all heard scandalous shit about, let's say like-- I'll just throw out examples: Michael Jackson, Jay Z. It's all-- it's just a lot of celebrities that you think of-- Drake, or like all these people.

Darren:

Epstein, Weinstein.

Alphonso:

Epstein, Weinstein, all those people. They all have this like, aura around them to where you know they only-- we all know rich people only hang out with rich people.

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

So in my mind, I don't see why it wouldn't be-- because we talked about, like, the whole government conspiracy of like, it really isn't like left wing, right wing, same bird deal. It's more of like--

Darren:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

It's more of just like, they're letting the chaos

Jon:

Chicken wing. explode and then they're just capitalizing off of it. So in that vein, do you feel like most of these secret societies work the same way? Because here's my-- here's my whole like, two cents about it. I think the internet's very scary for them as much as it is scary for us.

Darren:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

We do have the dark web, but we also have just random people throwing-- exposing people on the internet. And now it never goes away. It is like the only time in human history where like bad people are on the same level playing field as good people. It's like, as much as a bad person can use the internet--

Jon:

I don't know if it's like that

Darren:

I mean, it's full of rich people couldn't Zuckerberg or--

Jon:

That's what I'm saying, easily they can manipulate what, you know, the poor people are able to see--

Alphonso:

Well, that's the thing--

Jon:

to look good for their image.

Alphonso:

Could they really do that as easily as they can do it

Jon:

Not as easily.

Alphonso:

That's what I'm saying, it's very fucking hard. in, like, I don't know? Like, I know because China has this specific type of Google-- I'm not saying it's impossible. I mean, anything is possible with money. I'll say it like that.

Darren:

I just don't think like Facebook and, like umm, Google and like, Twitter really care about know their publicity because they already know people use their app.

Alphonso:

No, I'm saying, like not talking to that effect. I'm talking to the effect of just like the use of information and how you can move-- because you're a secret society, like--

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

You have to, like, at some point in time use the internet. It's just, regardless of how you want to get about it, they like-- and just like the fact that that is now logged on a server-- it's like that, the information the stuff they do-- like Hillary Clinton's emails--

Darren:

I'm more afraid of the US government than I am of secret societies looking at my stuff?

Alphonso:

Don't you think they kind of bleed into each other, no? Because it just--

Darren:

I've never believed in like to-- like the Illuminati

Jon:

Well, the Freemasons were real-- and stuff like that.

Alphonso:

The Illuminati is a real thing, though.

Darren:

Yeah, I know. The-- weren't, like, the Founding Fathers Freemasons?

Jon:

Yep.

Darren:

Yeah. I know that.

Jon:

They're still around.

Alphonso:

And the Illuminati was a real French society club that moved to the Americas. I can't tell you which year it did--

Jon:

Were they?

Alphonso:

Yeah, it was a real group. It's a real fucking group. That's why--

Jon:

I thought they were just, like, a branch of the Freemasons.

Alphonso:

No it's a real--

Darren:

I haven't heard shit about the Illuminati other than memes.

Alphonso:

Oh, yeah, it's an old French group that moved to the US. And other than that, I just know they had positions of power because they were wealthy when they came over. But other than that, like those two groups at least: Freemasons and illuminati are very real and have been very real for a while.

Jon:

There's a Freemasons building nearby.

Alphonso:

Yes.

Jon:

I forget where it is, but--

Alphonso:

And, uh, driving my mom--

Jon:

It's like Marietta or something, like it's somewhere really random close by.

Alphonso:

I've seen one just like in the middle of like Lawrenceville. [laughs]

Jon:

Motherfuckers in Lawrenceville, like, getting their fucking robes on, lighting the candles like-- [laughs]

Darren:

It's kinda like Scientology in Florida? Yeah, Scientology has been buying land in Florida, they now own 2% of the state.

Alphonso:

No fucking way.

Darren:

Yeah, Scientology-- no is it Scientology or Latter Day Saints or Mormon? No, I think it is Scientology. Yeah, they own 2% of the state.

Jon:

Because Scientology is also like a real estate businesses.

Darren:

Yeah, so I think it is Scientology.

Alphonso:

That is actually the scariest thing I've heard so far.

Darren:

Well, yeah, it's by like, it's like right next to Tampa it's some city they, like, almost totally bought out with just a city of Scientologists and they're trying to like expand their territory and land--

Alphonso:

That's what I was scared of, that shit, because that just sounds-- you know, you guys remember Jonestown, right? I don't think Scientologists are like crazy suicidal people, just disclaimer.

Darren:

Could be, I don't know.

Jon:

I mean, no one really knows what's going on like on like the upper levels of Scientology stuff really.

Alphonso:

Yeah. But with-- that's my-- going into my point. It's just, like, because they're-- that's really weird as a religion to invest in real estate, unless you're trying to control--

Jon:

Well, they have copyrights on all their stuff, too.

Alphonso:

They do?

Jon:

Yeah. Like you can't talk about-- you can't you can't depict like anything from their actual, like, religious texts without it being considered like a copyright thing. Because I mean, Scientology was founded by a science fiction author.

Narration:

[pause]

Jon:

Did you not know that?

Alphonso:

I knew it was science fic-- you know, he's like"Grimgrow" or "Gillbow" or some shit? The giant like, monster deity god--

Jon:

Oh, Xenu?

Alphonso:

Xenu! That's what it was, yeah.

Jon:

Do you consider Scientology to be a religion or do you just-- you still consider it like a cult?

Darren:

Cult.

Jon:

Where do you draw, like, the distinction?

Darren:

Um, cults you're not allowed to leave or it's very hard to leave.

Jon:

Oh, okay. Yeah, no, that's fair.

Darren:

Meanwhile, religion is like very free and open. You know?

Alphonso:

Yeah, that's fair.

Darren:

Like, cults try and take control of your life. Religion guides you.

Alphonso:

Yes, yes.

Darren:

That's the distinction.

Jon:

That's actually a really good way to put it. Okay, I do like that.

Alphonso:

That's very cult-y.

Jon:

Because I know now they're officially classified as a religion by like, the US government.

Darren:

No, it's because the IRS. They-- Nobody beats the IRS

Alphonso:

Oh, it's because they paid someone. except Scientology.

Jon:

Yeah.

Darren:

The IRS wanted a ton of money from them and they brought this to the Supreme Court and did all this shit. And then they were ruled as a religion. So the IRS cannot tax them.

Jon:

Yeah, because religions get tax exemptions and stuff that other organizations don't. So they're like, "Yeah, we also own real estate stuff. We also have all these tax exemptions!." So you can buy up 2% of a state--

Alphonso:

--without getting taxed for it.

Jon:

Exactly!

Darren:

And more to come.

Alphonso:

They're-- they're very smart and scary, that-- I don't like-- I don't like smart religion groups.

Jon:

I mean, essentially, yeah. Yeahh.

Darren:

Cults.

Alphonso:

Yeah, way too much.

Jon:

Speaking of religious organizations and everything, I do have something to talk about today and everything. This is a lot deeper than I originally expected it to be. It's very comparable to Scientology.

Alphonso:

Mm-hmm.

Jon:

But this is something that we learned about, I'm pretty sure in high school during AP US History.

Alphonso:

We did? Okay.

Jon:

So, before I get into all this, I do want to give a few disclaimers on this just because-- So, to do research on all this, a lot of this information is extremely obscure and hard to find. So I had to sift through newspapers, I had to sift through like speeches, I tried to read books, but it was very hard to get access to a lot of them. And then like general like Wikipedia, YouTube stuff, and all that. So I wasn't able to fact check a lot of this stuff. But a lot of this is out there. And I'm kind of just putting all the fun stuff in. I had to sift through a lot of racist stuff for this, um, towards both black people and white people and everything. And it all just kind of like, blends together. So some of it I'm not 100% sure, you know--

Alphonso:

Oh, the accuracy of--

Jon:

Exactly, yes. But this is all extremely historically significant. This does all play into the civil rights movement--

Alphonso:

Okay!

Jon:

So, before I do all that, there is, like, a little bit of--and also the actual spread of Islam in America.

Alphonso:

Okay... Because of all this stuff I'm about to talk about, Islam itself actually started to gain popularity in America-- before then, it wasn't even, like, something people really thought about. So on that front, on the civil rights aspect, and also on that front, it's actually like-- did great things for the country, on that front. But on the other aspects: it's also context that I want to give. really fun to talk about and really fun to learn about, so I Jesus.

Jon:

[laughs] I have a lot of notes here, but-- really want to get into it.

Darren:

There are six pages of notes.

Jon:

There's a shit ton of information on this--

Alphonso:

Oh my God.

Jon:

--and like, so before I get into all this. Umm, so I do want to ask, Are you all familiar with the Nation of Islam?

Alphonso:

Yes.

Jon:

To-- to what extent? What do you know?

Alphonso:

The Nation of Islam. I haven't studied it too, too hard. But I do know about the praying. I do know basically-- it's, I wouldn't say it's militaristic-- it's close to militaristic. You're-- you're the soldiers of Islam. You have to have-- just like a soldier, you have to be disciplined or rigorous in your life. So they do stuff like fasting-- like they are very rigid.

Jon:

They're-- they're the ones who always wear suits and stuff.

Alphonso:

Yes. Yeah.

Darren:

I just knew about the spread of them among black communities before the Civil Rights Movement. That's like all we really--

Jon:

Yeah, exactly. We barely touch on it in school.

Alphonso:

Yeah. And it caught on, yeah, really well with the black community that was--

Darren:

And I know they, like-- they like tie in with Malcolm X and all that, too.

Jon:

Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, before all that, I'm gonna give context on what was going on before they were created. So at the beginning of the 1900s, there was this organization called the Moorish Science Temple, right?

Alphonso:

But not Scien-- is it Scientology-adjacent?

Jon:

No, no, no, no, this is different. So the Moorish Science Temple, simply what happened there-- There is this dude named Noble Drew Ali, right?

Alphonso:

[laughs] Okay.

Jon:

Noble was his title, right.

Alphonso:

Okay, okay.

Jon:

This is his title in the religion, I forget what his name was beforehand, but afterwards, they called him Noble Drew Ali. So, he was going on a side quest, right. He was going-- basically journeying across the world and eventually he found himself in Egypt. And when he was in Egypt, he stumbled across a magician, right. I think-- I think it was referred to as an Egyptian high priest of magic, was what he was actually referred to as.

Alphonso:

Okay, no, that was a thing.

Jon:

And he met this guy. And he was like, "Oh, my God, you're him." He's like, "What the fuck you talking about?" He's like"you are Allah!". He's like,"wh-- me?! What the fuck?"[laughs] He was like, "Dude, you are Allah," and so essentially, this Egyptian High Priest of magic goes to a back room and brings him like, missing pages from the Quran. And from this, he's like, "holy shit, I got to tell people about this". So he starts a religion called the Moorish Science Temple. And essentially, like, the beliefs of this, like, remember, this is like early 1900s, like pre-World War One, and everything.

Alphonso:

Oh, oh.

Jon:

Yeah. So essentially what this all does, is it says that all black people are descendants of the Moors. And as a result, they are Islamic by blood.

Alphonso:

Oh, like how you can be Jewish by blood?

Jon:

Yeah, so-- so they're saying that, like, genetically speaking, if you're black, you should be Muslim. Is what they're saying.

Alphonso:

Mmm.

Darren:

I've heard black Jews say the same thing. [laughs]

Jon:

Yes, yes. Exactly. Like, umm-- so also, yeah, all black people aren't descended from the Moors. That's not necessarily scientifically accurate. But this essentially is what starts like the actual spread of Islam in America, like, the first degree. This was in Chicago, he goes and he starts founding this religion called the Moorish Science Temple. And when he's there, he preaches like, you should be proud of who you are, more so.

Alphonso:

Fair.

Jon:

It's-- it's kind of more of a peaceful thing. These are the guys that you see a lot of the time were fezzes and stuff like that.

Alphonso:

But not Shriners?

Jon:

No, these guys, they-- they're they're more traditional, like, Muslim-adjacent. But still have like, slightly different beliefs,

Alphonso:

Okay. obviously, because this is all different. Well, I mean, that said that dude was fucking Allah. So yeah, that alone was blasphemous. So, he says that all black people-- I think he said-- he referred to them as Asiatic people. So black or olive-skinned, so like tan and everything. Like Grecian people?

Jon:

Y--no...

Alphonso:

Mediterranean?

Jon:

When he says"olive-skinned," I think it just means like, darker, but not like white.

Alphonso:

Like this? Or like, I know what you're saying.

Jon:

Like, like, Indian--

Darren:

Arabian.

Jon:

Like, stuff like that.

Alphonso:

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Jon:

Asian, I think, might be included under that. But, I don't think it's including--

Alphonso:

Basically everyone but white people.

Jon:

Yeah, he's saying that because they're all like that, they should be allied together, and like work together. And, you know, for the most part, it's preaching peace and everything, like Islam. But what ends up happening is there's, like, infighting in

Alphonso:

Most part? the groups. And over time, people will start trying to like break apart from this religion. That's-- okay--

Darren:

Did you say it was Asiatic?

Jon:

Asiatic, yeah, I think it's how they pronounce it. It's like A-S-I-A-T-I-C. Umm, and then, the Nation of Islam also--

Darren:

That just means deriving from Asia. Because I've used that term before too, but I use it, like, regarding Asians, so.

Jon:

Yeah, I don't know. In this context, they all use it as, like, black.

Alphonso:

These are internet professors.

Darren:

But... okay.

Jon:

This is literally, like, in their actual texts and stuff.

Alphonso:

Oh, their texts.

Jon:

Yes, this is like from the early 1900s and stuff.

Darren:

Apparently what Google says is how I've been using it, but okay.

Alphonso:

It was used in the 1900s, they could've changed the shit.

Jon:

So, essentially, they start having all this infighting and stuff happen. And they have like different rival religious groups forming all in Chicago, right? And eventually one of them gets murdered-- one of, like, the religious leaders.

Alphonso:

That always happens like that. Yeah.

Jon:

And Noble Drew Ali, he gets arrested. Because the FBI is like, "you probably fucking killed him." Gets him-- but he doesn't actually get charged for anything. A lot of people, of course-- it's pretty widely thought that a lot of, like, the murders and stuff that tie into all this stuff could also have been done by the FBI or CIA--

Alphonso:

To get them out of there.

Jon:

Exactly.

Alphonso:

Yeah. Because they would've done some shit like that.

Jon:

A lot of people don't really know like, which ones was the FBI, which ones was the CIA, which ones were the actual organizations and stuff like that.

Alphonso:

Especially if it was black-- it was majority black, right?

Jon:

All of these people were black.

Alphonso:

Then yeah, no, I can definitely see them being like,"no this is this-- is too much."

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

Yeah.

Jon:

Because, I mean that's part of it is like they're-- A) the government's probably like "oh, there's-- there's a new fucking religion popping up. That's preaching something that's not Christianity. We need to stop that for one."

Alphonso:

Yeah, and then two.

Jon:

And then, two, This is like peak segregation and everything. So they probably don't want people preaching like, "oh, you should be happy to be black!" They want them to feel depressed and fucking sad. They don't-- they don't want people feeling like they can empower themselves.

Alphonso:

Yeah, cuz then it's like a whole social uprising. Like, we already gave you guys freedom. Now you want more? Jeez.

Jon:

Exactly.

Alphonso:

Yeah.

Jon:

So after he gets arrested, he gets let out. He goes home and the next day he's found dead in his home.

Alphonso:

Noble?

Jon:

Yeah. So the leader of the Moorish Science Temple is found dead.

Alphonso:

So, two dead bodies so far?

Darren:

Okay. Just pneumonia.[laughs]

Jon:

So they said that he died from acute, like... I think it Like, yeah, a type of-- a type of pneumonia. So he dies of was broncho-pseudo-pneumonia, or some shit? pneumonia. But some people obviously think he was murdered by the CIA, FBI. And other people apparently had accounts that he just said his work was done and died peacefully in his asleep.

Darren:

I don't know, pneumonia was a very common cause of death back then.

Jon:

Yeah.

Alphonso:

But suddenly?

Jon:

Especially if it was-- it was literally, like, right after he was in prison too. So he probably got sick guys and--

Darren:

Got it in prison.

Jon:

Yeah, exactly. But regardless, he died. You know, all that stuff. So, what ends up happening is at this point, there's like a schism in the actual religion.

Alphonso:

Because now the leader, the guy keep them together, is dead.

Jon:

Yeah, because people have already been breaking apart and everything. At this point, there's a power vacuum going on and no one really knows exactly who's going to, like, take over as the leader.

Alphonso:

Hold on, I'm sorry.

Jon:

Yeah?

Alphonso:

All this comes down to him saying he's the Messiah, right?

Jon:

Umm...

Darren:

Allah.

Alphonso:

Allah- Allah, He's not even a Messiah, he's God. Would

Jon:

Well, so immediately after, right, the first guy who comes God-- that's like-- just like the mental gymnastics of like, out and he's like, "I should take over as leader," was"yeah God definitely, it's just in this plan." Like, you have to literally his right hand man. So, I mean that does make sense. like gaslight yourself-- Um, then what ends up happening, is this other guy

Alphonso:

Okay. named Wallace Fard Muhammad, right-- he ends up saying that he is his reincarnation.[laughs] i can't stand these people.

Jon:

He says that the guy died, he reincarnated as him, and he should be the one who takes over.

Alphonso:

But he's already a grown-ass man?

Jon:

Yeah, he was already a part of the religion beforehand.

Darren:

Bro did not know how reincarnation works.

Jon:

Well okay, so, their depiction of reincarnation is a little bit different. I'll get into that in a little bit. But there there-- Like Danny Phantom, the souls just like--

Alphonso:

Yeah! [laughs]

Darren:

-- take a new host.[laughs]

Jon:

Yes. So--so, the drive-- the guy had a driver, right? The Noble Ali, he also had a driver like, a chauffeur everywhere and the chauffeur said that His eyes rolled into the back of his head and that he felt that he got taken over and he should also be the new ruler. So yes, he said that the the reincarnation was literally just his soul entering his body after he dies.

Alphonso:

This is when you make a religion for crazy people and only get crazy people in your group.

Darren:

A lot of Cults and Religions like that.

Jon:

Yeah. So, Wallace Fard Muhammad, he does all this. And immediately he's kicked out. Everyone was like, "Dude, you're fucking lying. Get the fuck out of here, dude." [laughs]

Alphonso:

Rational, yeah.[laughs]

Jon:

"Schizo!" The-- the Moorish Science Temple is still around today, but it's broken off into different groups that all have different names and stuff. But Wallace Fard Muhammad, that is the main one that we want to keep in mind, because the religion-- he leaves Chicago, goes to Detroit, and what he founds is the Nation of Islam. So it was unknown--

Darren:

That was dude that said he was reincarnated?

Jon:

Yes.

Darren:

Okay.

Jon:

So, it was unknown until like 2014, that he was a part of another religion before he founded the Nation of Islam.

Alphonso:

Mmm.

Jon:

And he's claimed to be their God beforehand and stuff. But that finally just came out like less than 10 years ago. Umm, so a little information about him. He was a sales guy.

Alphonso:

[laughs] Ahh.

Jon:

He was a door-to-door salesman who would go around, trying to sell artifacts.

Alphonso:

You have to be fucking good at talking.

Darren:

It's like Mormons.

Jon:

Yeah, essentially, yeah. So he would go around trying to sell artifacts, and while he was there, he would also talk about like, "oh, so this has to do with this part of black history. This has to do with this, this has to do with this." And eventually, he was just like,"I'm just making a religion, I'll just-- I'll do, this is my perfect way to do this." So the people he went door-to-door talking to, he would also start, like, trying to convert to his new religion. His religion is very similar to the Moorish Science Temple in a few aspects. However, what ends up happening is it also includes different versions of Islam as part of it. Christianity as part of it. It includes Garveyism. Do you remember Garvey?

Alphonso:

I remember it was a person, but what he did talk about?

Jon:

He was the Civil Rights philosopher who essentially said that we should be separate. We should not be together at all.

Alphonso:

Ohh, I do remember. Yeah yeah yeah.

Jon:

It was like, we should have our own country. It's everything's-- he was-- he was Pan-African, so I

Alphonso:

Yeah, yeah yeah. believe he specifically, wanted to go back to Africa. All that stuff. So that's all ingrained as part of this. And then also, it includes aspects of Freemasonry [laughs] in there as well, because of course it does. So essentially, like their belief in numbers, and stuff like that, as well, that's also derived very--

Darren:

I believe in numbers.[laughs]

Jon:

Well, I mean, like, like the value of a number, like saying--

Darren:

I believe in value.[laughs]

Alphonso:

I like $100, more than$1, Jon. [laughs]

Jon:

I'm saying that there's hidden meanings in something because it has a specific number in it.

Darren:

Oh, okay. I see. Like how the number 7 is lucky?

Jon:

Uhh, kinda?

Darren:

Okay.

Jon:

So they had a speech in like the 70s-- They did the 1 Million Man March. They're the ones who set that up. And as part of it, they had the leader talking about, "oh, the Lincoln Memorial has 19 steps. And also the Jefferson monument has 19 steps. So that means this this this." I don't remember what exactly it was. Yeah. So yeah, it includes all that stuff in there. And essentially, one of the main beliefs of this religion is that throughout history, there have been a variety of like mortal gods named Allah, right? So Allah is not an all powerful spiritual being--

Alphonso:

[sneezes]

Jon:

==bless you.

Alphonso:

It's a bunch of dudes named Sam. Gotcha. Thank you. That's all I needed to know!

Jon:

Yeah, so there-- So that's the main reason that this is separate from traditional Islam is that they believe that God is a man. They don't believe that God is like an all powerful spiritual being. Does that make sense?

Alphonso:

Okay, so like God is man and hell is on earth type shit, or?...

Jon:

Kinda.

Alphonso:

Okay. Okay, yeah.

Jon:

So eventually Wallace Fard Muhammad, the guy who found this religion-- he goes missing.

Alphonso:

What is--

Jon:

--like four years after he founds this,he goes missing. No one knows what happened to him. So he goes missing. And his right-hand man, named Elijah Muhammad takes over, right. And so for the majority of the stuff I'm gonna talk about, Elijah Muhammad is the guy who was there. Elijah Muhammad was the one who wrote the majority of the stuff that I'm gonna talk about and everything. Essentially, what happens is Elijah Muhammad takes over and he's like, "oh, yeah, dude, Wallace was-- he was God. And he didn't die when he went missing. He actually is hiding in Mecca right now. And he's going to come back one day, and he's going to like, save us all."

Alphonso:

It's always the comeback, what is what these niggas in comebacks?

Jon:

So, essentially, what he started saying is that someday, Wallace Fard Muhammad is going to return in a giant flying saucer.

Alphonso:

No.

Jon:

And he's going to bomb the earth to kill all white people and turn Earth into a utopia.

Darren:

Holy shit! It's Scientology. Oh my God.

Jon:

So, the 1950s, the Nation of Islam started incorporating beliefs from the books of L. Ron Hubbard--

Darren:

Nice. [laughs]

Jon:

--the writer of Scientology, and now Scientology and the Nation of Islam, like are like honorary, like members of each other's religions. Like they're so closely linked together, that they're actually like members of each other.

Darren:

That's cute.

Jon:

Give each other awards and stuff like that, like, "I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you." Stuff like that. So, obviously, since its inception, the CIA and the FBI are like,"what the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you talking about?"

Darren:

[laughs] Imagine being the US government watching all this go down.

Jon:

They do have like their own like paramilitary organizations and stuff like that, where they teach him like how to use guns.

Alphonso:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jon:

it's like in case--

Alphonso:

--shit hits the fan.

Jon:

Yeah, in case shit hits the fan, white people want to, like exterminate them-- they have, like, you know, plans in place to like fight back.

Alphonso:

A militia.

Jon:

Yeah,

Darren:

That's fair.

Jon:

Yeah, I mean--

Alphonso:

I mean, at the time-- like, I do understand, especially in the early 1900s, like--

Jon:

All of the beliefs--

Darren:

I still think that's sort of the case, I don't know. Or should be the case.

Alphonso:

Oh, we still have like a militia?

Darren:

Militias and just like--

Jon:

--like private militias, separate from the governmentis what he's saying.

Darren:

Basically, because minorities face higher rates of like, facing violent hate crimes, they should be armed.

Alphonso:

Yeah.

Darren:

That's my personal belief, but anyways.

Alphonso:

No, I get that 100%.

Jon:

Alot of the stuff in this, I can understand why it was stated to be the case-- like all their beliefs and stuff like that, I can understand why.

Alphonso:

They're founded in some kind of realistic--

Jon:

--not realism, necessarily. It's just like, it's a sense of like, you have the entire world out against you--

Alphonso:

No that's what I mean--

Jon:

--and you need like--

Alphonso:

-- to protect yourself.

Jon:

Like, if it feels like someone is pure evil, like you need to have some kind of explanation as to why.

Alphonso:

Oh, cope.

Jon:

Like that's-- I wouldn't say cope it's just like--

Alphonso:

In most degrees, you could call it cope, though. I feel like--

Jon:

I guess, yeah.

Alphonso:

because even then, like creation stories telling your child--

Darren:

Sorry, I'm lost. What's cope?

Alphonso:

Cope just means like--

Darren:

I know what cope means but like, what's-- what's cope in this story or the--

Alphonso:

In this context, it means like, because your life is so awful-- because there are things hurting you and there is no real reason why, you don't want to just say it's because that's the way it is.

Darren:

Oh , okay.

Alphonso:

You want to say there is an actual logical reason for it instead of just accepting-- the being a realist versus being like an idealist is almost an instance how people bring out like-- I don't want talk about religion in that sense, but like to some atheists and some other people, religion is cope.

Darren:

Oh, I see, okay.

Alphonso:

They believe that, yeah, you're just gonna die and turn to dirt. Like why do you even say there's gonna be an afterlife and lie to yourself, lie to children,lie to generations and shit like that. So in this context, it's civil rights. It's not-- so it's before-- pre-civil rights, black people getting shitted on-- you want something that's going to

Darren:

Yeah. make you feel better. And not just cope--

Alphonso:

but like your entire generation, your species, because at the time that like, you're different, like your species is just trash, so

Darren:

Sorry, I was just confused what you guys were calling cope.

Alphonso:

Oh, yeah.

Jon:

No, you're good. So a large tenant of this organization, religion, whatever we're going to call it-- umm, is essentially that white people are pure evil. They were designed to be pure evil.

Alphonso:

[laughs]

Jon:

And they were designed to subjugate, enslave, kill Black people.

Alphonso:

Lovely, lovely.

Jon:

A large part of the organization, the religion and everything. So, there are two people in particular, who were very well-known as being part of this group. One of them is Malcolm Little, also known as Malcolm X.

Darren:

Dude was Malcolm Little?

Jon:

Yeah.

Darren:

I'm glad he changesd it to X.

Jon:

[laughs] And the other one is a young boxer named Cassius Clay, also known as Muhammad Ali.

Alphonso:

Nah, both of them? Wow.

Jon:

So in the 1940s, Malcolm X was in prison. And when he was in prison, someone converted him to the religion. I don't really know like the full story on his actual conversion, but at some point, he got converted. He moved his way up through the ranks up until eventually, he took over the as the New York priest for the religion. So in like the New York temple, he took over and he was the one doing all their sermons and everything. He got very close with Elijah Muhammad, the guy who was actually in charge over there, and everything. And essentially, over time, as he was there, he started having issues with Elijah Muhammad, the actual leader, up until they got to a point where he wanted to do some soul searching. Oh, yeah, also, so he changed his name from Malcolm Little to Malcolm X, essentially, he changed it to x to represent how he doesn't know what his real true name is, because--

Darren:

Nah, he just thought it sounded cooler.

Alphonso:

Malcolm anonymous, in a sense.

Jon:

So he has like-- he doesn't-- he wants to get rid of the white man's name, essentially, is what it was.

Alphonso:

Ohh.

Jon:

So he changed it to Malcom Little. Uh, or, Malcolm X. My bad, backwards.

Alphonso:

Yeah, gotcha gotcha gotcha.

Jon:

And from there, eventually, he started doing some soul searching. He went to Mecca. And one of the stories I saw said that he specifically saw white Muslims there. I don't know if that's true or if he just like, had a general sense of like, change of worldview.

Darren:

I mean, they exist, so. Oh, okay.

Jon:

I mean, yeah. Well, he said, like he said that, like,

Alphonso:

Yeah, yeah.

Jon:

I don't know how true that aspect was. But he definitely they treated him like openly with kindness. "Oh, shit, white people aren't that bad." went there. By the time he came back, he denounced the Nation of Islam, converted to Sunni Islam. And then from there-- This was like, right after JFK died.

Alphonso:

Ohh.

Jon:

Have you ever seen, like, his whole speech-- Like, "oh, the chickens come home to roost?"

Alphonso:

No, no.

Jon:

So essentially, he said that JFK got what he asked for. He said that JFK like emboldened an environment that allowed that to be the case.

Alphonso:

So he made the monsters and then when he tried to clean them out, they got him first. Okay.

Darren:

That's very much true.

Jon:

Yeah--

Alphonso:

He did make the monsters?

Jon:

I'm not 100% sure why this was the case.

Darren:

He cleaned out the CIA, like, restructured a lot of them and demoted, promoted some people.

Alphonso:

So he changed the power structure?

Darren:

He's also been like, quoted as saying, like, basically he wants to clip the wings of the CIA and scatter them to-- scatter them into a million pieces into the wind, is what he said.

Jon:

A lot of people--

Darren:

They recorded that in the Oval Office.

Jon:

A lot of people blamed him for like the Bay of Pigs and like, all kinds of other stuff, too.

Darren:

Yeah. But that was actually like higher up members in the CIA that wanted to stage a coup in Cuba, which is not what JFK wanted.

Jon:

Yeah.

Darren:

He wanted to maintain peace with like communist countries in the USSR and like, move towards peace. But the CIA kept kind of like guiding his hand towards that red button, you know.

Jon:

So, right after Malcolm X converts to Sunni Islam, he starts preaching more tolerance. He's He's a lot less like--

Alphonso:

Hate whites.

Jon:

Yeah. Because I mean, beforehand, he was like, "I hate white people, we should overthrow them. We should do this. We should do this. We just like go separate ourselves and have a completely different country," like, basically Nation of Islam beliefs, is what he was doing beforehand.

Alphonso:

Yeah, but he was like,"wait a second, it was just American white people that I hate."

Jon:

I mean, essentially, he's like, "I hate the people in power, who are allowing this to happen, but all white people are not that bad." And for some reason, because of that speech he gave on JFK, the Nation of Islam was really unhappy about it. And then all of a sudden, he leaves the group converts to a different religion. And nine months later, he ends up assassinated.

Alphonso:

That don't look good. He was there for like four years, you said or something like that? Or how long was he there for?

Darren:

He was still higher ranking in the Nation of Islam.

Jon:

For the Nation of Islam, he was there for like 15 years. He was in that organization for a long, long time.

Darren:

Yeahh, that's a little sus.

Jon:

And eventually he's giving a speech, and he gets shot with a sawed off shotgun like 10 times.

Alphonso:

10 times?

Jon:

I think it was 10 bullets. I think 10 bullets went in.

Alphonso:

How much more personal can you--

Darren:

With a sawed off shotgun?

Jon:

Yeah, yeah. He was giving a speech. Someone ran up, shot him with a sawed off shotgun. And then--

Darren:

10 times?

Jon:

There was 10 bullets, I think.

Darren:

Like, pellets?

Jon:

Yeah, so they shot him, and with a sawed off shotgun, then Yeah.

Darren:

You mean-- okay. with a pistol, I think. And he died, three members of the Nation of Islam were arrested as being part of what happened. One of them confessed, and two others were wrongfully convicted.

Alphonso:

So only one shot him.

Jon:

Yeah. Well, but he also had conspirators and everything else who were said they were conspirators. But he-- the guy who confessed was like, "the other two didn't do it. It was other people-- I'm not gonna tell you they are though, but it was these two that did it-- did not do it." They still end up being wrongfully convicted for like 50 years, though. It wasn't until like recently, like a few years ago that they were like,"Oh, my bad." And now they're suing for like $2 million, or whatever it actually is.

Alphonso:

Yeah because they had to live with it

Jon:

Yeah, yeah, there's one thing convicted. And the ones who were there almost everyone who was part of the Nation of Islam ends up converting to Sunni Islam.

Alphonso:

Because they're just like, "this is not okay, guys."

Jon:

Yeah. Sothat's the majority of the story with Malcolm X.

Alphonso:

That's even crazier, because they wanna say like white people are evil, then it's like the black people, killing other black people. Like, bro, aren't we all supposed to be on the same team, even if we disagree?

Darren:

Shows that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Alphonso:

Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Jon:

Yeah. It's, I don't know. Sad.

Alphonso:

Yeah, it's sad too, because like,

Jon:

because I mean, he was a very good talker. And he really was very, like, he was a very intelligent person with everything, he could have done a lot more if he had more life.

Alphonso:

And I would almost argue he probably would have done more for the black community in Martin Luther King would have done like, in the sense of where he both contributed immensely. I'm saying like, if you would have like, let them both play out, he wanted more economic, like, ground points for African Americans. And I do think that just in the long run, historically speaking, like you just said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you don't have money you don't even get

Darren:

I don't even think that's like historical. That's like just demographics today, you know, well, yeah. When you look at black communities, they're usually poor. But

Alphonso:

yeah, I'm just saying like having that generational wealth to where you could I mean, just you know, having an even playing especially early then because they burned down a lot of black cities. Like there was one in Tennessee they just burnt the fuck down I forget what it's called. It was a it was a black city in Tennessee I believe and is a key thing because it got into like a fight so basically, somebody

Darren:

telling there was this pre Martin Luther King said recently, I was like, oh, no,

Alphonso:

no, no, no, pre Martin Luther King, just like thriving, thriving black people, white people came there to get into the black culture, but it was majority black centered. And so one day this white guy in this black guy got into a fight and the white guy plus the black basically yeah yeah, why guy went back to the white town got the government involved got like the state government and they burned to the ground killed beat up murdered Lily that went by you that that a rape was one of the two these are the rape or a fight. I think it turned into a fight. There was a fighting regardless, but it might have been right that started like a rape accusation. Or just to two niggas got into it. And they decided to torture an entire city with them on their side of it. Yeah, Christ. Yeah.

Jon:

For me, it's just like one of those things where if he was like, already becoming more like, I guess, tolerant towards the end of his life and everything. Like it's a shame that the Civil Rights Movement had to be like, divided the way that it was, if him and Martin Luther King could have started working together towards the end, or been huge for us, but instead well I imagine like how much further along that could have went on everything's by design, especially. Like they wouldn't have had to stop with oh, let's you know, get rid of segregation or whatever it we could have been like, oh, let's do this. Let's

Alphonso:

push for more black this push. Could have done a lot more for the country. Yeah, like people once you get rid of the head. Yeah, body kind of It's

Jon:

a shame because like, I mean, yeah, Martin Luther King died right after too. So I mean, you got one

Alphonso:

of the problems, you know, you might as well just take care of the, the main problem at least. Oh, no, it's a shame. It really is a shame that they are history, like just was that 50 years ago? 5076. Yeah, go like, like 5060 Basically, like still a whole generation, two generations behind us. Like we really had that much hate coming out of where we were just this idea that you shouldn't be allowed to be equal to me. Yeah. Because it's wrong. Yeah. And that wrongness just stems from the fact that because I've been in control for so long, it doesn't really suit you to have that type of power. And I also think it's just fear to because imagine beating someone up for hundreds of years and then they finally you know, grow up. They're gonna come from you know.

Darren:

So that was a realistic fear white people had back then.

Alphonso:

No, I definitely believe it because you can't just Lynch and kill people at random because you felt like it and then just be like, You were cool now, right, Jamar? Yeah,

Jon:

like no, well, it

Darren:

wasn't them. It was like, I mean, like they were related to people that did that though. So I'm

Alphonso:

saying it's the it's the association because you killed people I've just been, I'm just

Darren:

saying like today's different because nobody was really around the time of like the lynchings and the no

Alphonso:

one nowadays, but imagine that there are

Jon:

still people who were alive back then. I mean, think about the 1960s and stuff was not that long ago there are people

Darren:

No, when I say lynchings, I mean like early 1900s. Like Like when like the revival of kk k and

Alphonso:

stuff like that was a really crazy one. Yeah. Okay.

Jon:

I've still seen people talking about how like, I saw one tick tock in particular, where a guy said he talked to a firefighter or like a retired firefighter, right. And he said that when he was younger, when there were black people in the fires, he would like not save them and say, like, Oh, I did everything I could on

Darren:

purpose. Well, yeah, sucks. But I mean, I mean, in

Jon:

general, like even though it wasn't a quote, unquote, lynching people still did that. They did

Alphonso:

racially favor others and then let others die because they didn't see it as a net loss.

Jon:

This was like a guy in his 90s who was like, Yeah, I realized what I did was terrible. I regret it. Can you please forgive me? And he's like, What the fuck? No, like, what's wrong with you? Why would you tell me this? Well,

Darren:

I'm talking about like the lynchings and the mob. stuff that happened like back in like the late 1800s. Like, yeah, like those people aren't around today, obviously. So you can't like it's really hard painting the blame on like white kids today. No, no, no, no, no, I know. But like, back in the 60s, you had peoples who like parents and grandparents did that. Exactly. Yeah. So that probably was a very realistic fear and very realistic thing to think back then. Because I mean, just like it's different, given that the kids

Alphonso:

have both of those tragedies grew up on opposite sides. Yes. The kids who lost their families to those people and the kids who family did those things. Yeah, yeah.

Jon:

It was definitely more on like the roots of everything back then. It was like, everyone was ingrained. Like, you hate this person. You hate the exact part of the culture back then.

Alphonso:

So I'm glad it changed so fast. I think that's part of the Internet to just more experienced more worldview.

Darren:

As soon as I mean, as soon as they let Black kids and white kids go to the same schools. I'm pretty sure it took care

Alphonso:

of it. So it's like years and years later, we're different. Yeah, obviously, racism

Jon:

is still a thing. Like, yeah, yeah. But like I near as bad as it used to be.

Darren:

I think that racism is definitely still a thing, but I still think people retain their people who are racist still retain empathy. You know? Mm

Alphonso:

hmm. It really just depends on how far they are. I

Darren:

don't know you're gonna you're gonna have a racist person and they would see like a black person burning beneath a car. They probably save them just because they feel that

Alphonso:

I would like to see it. I'll probably

Jon:

say you're a firefighter like racist to the point where you said I hate you hate

Alphonso:

is a very strong Well, I

Darren:

think racism isn't as violent or like, would you call it vehement as it was back then

Alphonso:

you're forgetting opportunistic killers. Don't forget, most crimes happen out of opportunity. Someone leaves a car door open, someone just happens to feel that get to close this window. Even like most of them are like crimes of passion or opportunistic, like they're not necessarily like someone thought about is like, Okay, this guy made me match. I stabbed him. If you hate black people, and so on black person just got mud on your js. And now you see one burning in the car is like karma as well. I'm

Darren:

just saying like, back then they thought that like, oh, yeah, black people aren't even human. They're like beneath me today. It's like, oh, yeah, like by arguing just

Alphonso:

so hate them.

Darren:

They just like, I don't know, if

Jon:

you are if you're legitimately racist, you still believe that they're beneath you. Yeah,

Alphonso:

that doesn't go well. That's

Darren:

what yeah. But they're not like subhuman. They're just like, oh, yeah, they're more violent, or like, Oh, they're poor kind of

Alphonso:

human. That's like saying you're less evolved than I am. If you're such a monster, just by your own nature of existence, if that's what you truly believe that's racism, like innocence is like you are despise just by existing because that's in your genes, your actual race, what color makes your skin what color makes your eyes whatever?

Jon:

I think it's one of these things. If there's people around watching, they're going to try to save them. If there's no one around, I don't think they

Alphonso:

will. Yeah, something like that. I could definitely see that. Like, if like, if you

Jon:

are legitimately racist, I do not think that they would actually, like, do that.

Darren:

I disagree. I don't know.

Alphonso:

Maybe I don't know. Like, I see what you're saying. Like the whole human nature, like helping other people. But if you really hate somebody, it's way easier not to do anything and risk your life. Because at that point, you can just tell yourself, and maybe

Darren:

the burning car wasn't a great example. But I don't know. Like,

Jon:

I think from what you're saying is like prejudice. I think prejudice is different prejudice.

Alphonso:

Prejudice. We won't kill you racist people will. Yeah, President just means like, yeah, you feel a little uncomfortable by having a prejudice against a racist, racist. No prejudice and racism are two different things like they are defined differently for so if

Darren:

I go out there, and I say, oh, yeah, oh, black people just kill each other. Is that not racist? To say that racism

Jon:

is inherently the belief that you are superior? Yes to someone else, you hate someone. So you can

Alphonso:

be prejudiced and racist, but you can also just be prejudiced or racist.

Darren:

I don't know saying all black people committed, there's there's a lot of definitely saying they're less than

Alphonso:

what prejudice, you just want to establish early. Poor people commit crimes, and the majority of black people in this country are poor. That means the majority of crime will be coming from black people. That is a statistical fact that you could find in any other country. The poor groups do crime. Not necessarily races more if

Darren:

it's so if you're going around a grocery store, yeah. And then like, somebody, I don't know, steal something. And they're like, oh, did you see someone like run out the door of the shopping cart? Would you go like, Oh, let me guess they were black ladies, they're not racist.

Alphonso:

If you're assuming that the poor groups commit crime, then no, because you're being prejudiced. Now that's hateful, and it can be racist if you already hate black people. But in that situation, nobody gets prejudice in that moment, because they're assuming that because poor people would steal majority people in this country that are poor black. The shoe fits. No, because we wouldn't put that as racist. Right. It's prejudice. And if there if you go further, and

Darren:

we're not going anywhere we talk

Jon:

about it more than anything. Really. That's it anyway,

Darren:

now you can be ignorant and racist, but I mean, yeah, you definitely. Yeah,

Jon:

I'm just saying like, you know, different. There's a lot of overlap. And these terms, it's like a Venn diagram. as fucked up as it is. It really is. Yeah. Um, the other guy who was, you know, popular, Cassius Clay.

Alphonso:

Muhammad Ali. Yes. So like a butterfly sting, like a bit. He

Jon:

joined the nation in like, 1959 1960 ish. He was basically but it was like, an unofficial essentially. So he was there. And he was a gold medalist for boxing in the Olympics, right. So he started doing this. He started trying to build up his career and during that time, he ends up finding himself with a nation of Islam where Malcolm X ends up becoming his mentor. So he like Malcolm X is Muhammad Ali's actual like political ideology like all that stuff mentor, he's go he's part of the entourage like he literally he goes with him to his matches and shit. So eventually what ends up happening is Cassius Clay. He has his boxing match coming up against a guy named Sonny Liston. Are you familiar with that boxing match?

Alphonso:

Was that the one he was told to throw? Um, so

Jon:

there's two different matches between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston. The second one is probably like the most famous one Muhammad Ali ever did. It's that one where he knocked him out in the first round. And he has that picture of him standing over on top of them, saying Get up, get up all that shit. That's the most famous one Muhammad Ali has ever been a part of because you knock the dude out in the first round. Yeah. Oh, that's it. That was a rematch to the first one. The first one he was still under the name Cassius Clay. So what happened there was there was this guy named Sonny Liston. He was essentially like, what people he was like the mike tyson of the day, that's probably the best way to describe it. He was their champion. There was a guy who worked with both Mike Tyson and Sonny listen, he said Sunday Listen, hit way harder. All this shit like he was the mike tyson today. He did not have a single loss. Right? He didn't have a single loss his entire career. And all of a sudden, there's his match coming up. That's him. And this guy named Cassius Clay 22 years old, super young, fresh on the scene and everything. They're both heavyweight fighters. And essentially, Sonny Liston the way he started boxing was he started boxing in prison, came out of prison started actually like doing it professionally. And almost instantly he was in the mafia, his back pocket just due to threats and all that shit. So to a lot of people he represented like all the worst aspects of boxing, like he represented like blood money, just dirty fighting. Yeah, he represented all like the fucking corrupt aspects of sports out there. And all this happens. He's just like this fucking big massive dude and all the shit. You know, going up against them. You have Cassius Clay, this 22 year old comes out there. He has plenty of losses under his belt at this point. He's not fucking perfect by any means. But he's his whole fighting style is completely different. Sonny Listen, he's the type of dude, he will punch you like three times in your out. Cassius Clay. He's like a butterfly sting like a bee. He will like he's like lighters, but he will dodge you the entire time. You'll tap you like that. And his whole thing is he's like a really big fast talker. So he's, he's a shit talker. He will sit there fucking like she'd already the entire time in front of people to your face all this other stuff. And everyone fucking hate and

Darren:

like, German.

Jon:

People describe this fight as like the most anticipated fight since Stalin and Hitler, because they hate both of them. The entire country hated fucking both of them. Wow. So Cassius Clay ends up getting a bus with fucking. I think he said, like down in eight rounds or something like that. He drives it to his house and his brand new white neighborhood at 3am starts honking the horn, waking up all of his white neighbors and shit like that. Because when you listen hangs out white people this point, right? So because of that, white people start fucking off and all these well, because he's doing all this shit. So this entire time, there starts getting a rumor going around that he's a part of the Nation of Islam. And because of that people are like, Oh, shit, like, we can't promote that. So they tell him like you can't do any of that here. They tell him that all of his entourage of people cannot be president any of his matches, right? So he ends up going through and doing all this stuff. And what ends up happening is Malcolm X shows up at his actual boxing match, he was allowed at the actual championship title, just not the ones before then Malcolm X was allowed at that match. And supposedly, what he told him was that he said, You are chosen by God to win this match. You are destined to win this fight, you will win no matter what happens. So Cassius runs up to him and he tells him, I'm going to win you're destined to lose, basically saying you're my bitch the entire time. He says, I am going to win because God chose me to do this. And if I was in a fucking boxing match with someone who wants to beat the shit out of me, I will be the scariest shit I've ever heard in my life. God told me God told me to win this fight but what the fuck are you talking about?

Darren:

A ton of fighters say that they

Jon:

do. Yeah, let me it's just like it's a mindset thing. I think a lot of it probably stems back from this but he

Alphonso:

is a trash talker so just getting in someone's head and making them like think twice it's like imagine say I was divinely chosen a whip yo as Yes.

Darren:

So I feel like that's something a lot of fighters would say

Jon:

they do but at this point like you're a law they first so this is the first fight this is the first this is the first fight they both have not fought each other before here. And it's basically says they're eight to one odds that Sonny listen is going to win. So basically, there's like there's no point even doing this fight. Why the fuck are we even doing this? They go there and it goes on for I believe six rounds so the first round is kind of even playing field certainly listening goes out kind of hard because you try to knock them out quick Yeah. Somebody listen to the thing is he usually wins and like around power like yeah he literally has hit you a few times and then you're done yeah he so he's that's it so because of that his entire like strategy his entire boxing career for like the past two years is only like three minutes long. Yeah, because he's really only box like three minutes past two years because he wins that

Darren:

is a big fish in a small pond. Yeah, essentially arguably Yeah, it's

Jon:

a good way to put it. Meanwhile Cassius because he has actually worked for it he has way more time but in actually boxing and stuff like that. So he's light on his feet dodging all of his way more of a combat experience too. Yeah. So they're actually getting hits off on each other. He ends up Sunday he ends up hitting Muhammad Ali in the stomach and shit like that. Winds them a little bit but then the you know, the boxing and shit. That eventually third round. Muhammad Ali ends up getting some fucking like shit on him. It's like beating the shit out of him at a certain point. Then at the end of the round, his eyes starts burning. He's the only ship with a flex going on. And then the general so the entire fourth round Muhammad Ali's essentially blind is he's his eyes are burning in the middle of this fight. And what people think is that Sonny Liston cheated. He had medicine sitting on his shoulder. Somebody rubbed against him that medicine got into his eyes. Yeah, there's other boxers that went against him said they did the same fucking thing. So

Alphonso:

Wow. So he even like he plays to win. Yeah.

Jon:

So for two whole rounds. He's fucking like blind is shit. He literally can't see me you only see like a silhouette. And he's still like dodging his attacks if I can box

Alphonso:

Jesus Christ dude locked the fuck yeah. Eventually,

Jon:

the sixth round, he's able to actually see again, and when that happens, he gets fucking basically he lands every single fucking like that match. He

Alphonso:

literally gave up his veggie sacrifice two rounds of vision to go Ultra instinct on his literally.

Jon:

Yeah, so literally like the sixth round, he ends up hitting every single fucking hit off on him. The round ends. And then at the start of the seventh round Sunday, listen, he's like, I give up posi his his shoulder was fucked up. He said that his shoulder was injured and paralyzed. Yeah, what happened because he did a lot of training beforehand. And during it, he fucked up his shoulder. During this point, he said was paralyzed, couldn't move it. So he whacked out. Cassius Clay wins the fight. And immediately, he says, I'm part of the Nation of Islam. My new name is Muhammad Ali. So this is the fight. They gave me the name Muhammad Ali, he said, and I believe that translates like chosen by God, essentially, is what it was. So he used Yeah, so Malcolm X's words, like stuck with me. Like I'm making that by fucking name right now. Originally, he changed it to Cassius X, like Malcolm X, but he changed it to a Muslim name after that. And he was part of the religion for a long time, I think up until like the 1970s. He gave it up. No, he was part of it up until like, the 1970s way after Malcolm X left. And one of the things that he said, was that he remembers actually seeing a flying saucer. That's the same guys are gonna fly down and drop 18,000 bombs across the country at some point. He said he's actually seen it. He was like, just hit, probably get punched in the head 120 times. But by the time he died, he completely disavow the religion. And everyone's like, he's not part of that anymore. He doesn't hate white people anymore. Same thing, he ended up converting the Sunni Islam, all that stuff

Alphonso:

falling like fully in Malcolm X's footsteps, in a sense, yes. Okay. Yes.

Jon:

So that's the vast majority of the context for everything. There's a specific story I want to tell y'all.

Alphonso:

Oh, my God.

Jon:

And it's about the creation of white people. And along with that, I'm also going to mix in their their creation myth for like, the universe itself.

Darren:

This is like their creation myth for like--

Jon:

For the Nation of Islam. This is like their, this is their-- how the universe was constructed. And also like, going into it, I'm also gonna go into the story of like, the creation of white people and everything. So in the beginning of time, essentially the same way it was in Christianity and everything, there was nothing. It was a void. And until one day in the void, the first Allah was created, right? Because he was in a void, he was like, "Oh, I wanna get my skin black, because it reminds me of the void."[laughs]

Alphonso:

Oh, repping home.

Jon:

So he ends up making his skin black. And then he ends up making helpers to help him create the universe.

Alphonso:

So black skin because void?

Jon:

Yeah, because he-- well, he makes them all in his image. They're all black. He makes the sun, makes the planets and the stars making these helpers, I think he has 24 of them. And they all take turns being Allah at that point. And they start crafting everything in the universe at that point, right. So essentially, they ended up putting all their knowledge together because they also have knowledge of the future. They end up crafting the-- the original I think they call it a Mother Book that ends up becoming what the Torah is, what the Bible is, what the Quran is, before they were like quote unquote, "corrupted" and everything.

Alphonso:

Okay.

Jon:

So they have all the knowledge of everything that can happen, will happen, everything. Then eventually, they start making these different tribes of humans on Earth that are based on all these scientists and everything. One of the scientists is like a mad Doofenshmirtz-ass doctor, right? And he's like, "I'm sick of this shit." This is 66 trillion years ago, by the way, I'm pretty sure it's older than the actual like biological age of the universe. 66 trillion years ago, this guy is like,"I'm sick of this shit. I want to blow up the Earth!" So he drills to the center of the earth and plants bombs, right. He plants all these bombs that then blow up.

Darren:

[jokingly] Dude and those are volcanoes!

Jon:

No that-- it launches the debris into space and becomes the moon.

Darren:

Damn.

Alphonso:

That's metal as fuck.

Jon:

Because all this shit, during the process-- there was there were 13 tribes originally. 12 of those tribes just died.

Alphonso:

Because of the nukes.

Jon:

Yeah, cuz he's fucking blew up the Earth.

Alphonso:

Yeah.

Jon:

Yeah, So a large chunk of it goes -- becomes the moon. 12 of these tribes die, right? Out of that there's one tribe that remains called the tribe of Shabazz. Right? The tribe of Shabazz, essentially, it's like the first real like black humans, right? So they're dark skinned, but they have like silky smooth hair. They don't have like curly hair at all. Until the leader of the tribe of Shabazz, decides he's going to take his family into the jungles of Africa. And throughout that process of survival, they end up getting like the the curly black hair. But the rest of the tribe of Shabazz is not part of that family and ends up spreading throughout the world.

Alphonso:

Becoming white and all the other colors?

Jon:

No.

Alphonso:

Still black? Okay, okay.

Jon:

They're all still black. Yeah, they're all still black. And essentially they're all pure good. All these people. They're super technologically advanced. Think, like Wakanda on fucking steroids, right? Yeah, they're all super technologically advanced. They're scientists. They're really smart.

Alphonso:

The type of Egyptian astrologers who did like the pyramids and like, did constantly-- like those type of smarts.

Jon:

They started in Mecca spread across, I think Afro-Eurasia like the whole continent area over there. They don't get Sub Saharan, but they get like over in that--

Alphonso:

Northern Africa, not--

Jon:

Yeah, Northern Africa, to like over Asia, Middle East, that whole area-- they're over there. They start spreading that way. And then eventually, what

Alphonso:

Okay. ends up happening is, if you remember, they drilled to the core of the earth, and all this stuff. Because they drilled to the core of the earth and blew it up. All of a sudden, now, you're left with the Hollow Earth because you blew it up. Sometimes referred to as Agartha. I've heard that term before.

Jon:

It's sometimes referred to as that but regardless it is a hollow earth, there is a center of the earth that is completely hollow. Yes. So at some point, alien civilizations from across the universe end up fleeing their home planets and coming to earth, because a great evil destroyed their planets, right?

Alphonso:

What is it, the darkness?

Darren:

No, it's the white people!

Jon:

So a great evil destroys their planets. So they come and they hide inside the center of the Earth. Every once in a while to go to the surface world and they'll start spreading knowledge and stuff like that to them, basically giving them more information, right.

Alphonso:

The gods that we talk about now, like from lore and stuff.

Jon:

Not gods because God is still Allah.

Darren:

Like what people perceived as gods.

Alphonso:

Like the deities--

Jon:

They see them as mages, was the actual like terminology they used. Mages, wizards, like shit like that.

Darren:

But not like prophets?

Jon:

Ah, prophets, prophets, but not gods was what it was.

Alphonso:

Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

Jon:

So this was spreading information and giving them more technology and shit. So, there are two particular races that are important. There's one called the Sheoak.

Alphonso:

Yes.

Jon:

They have really big heads, right?

Alphonso:

Like, abnormally big?

Jon:

Like think Megamind.

Alphonso:

Okay, okay.

Darren:

Were they gray aliens?

Jon:

Yeah, they're aliens. They're dark skinned, like black people, but they have really big heads.

Darren:

So like gray aliens?

Jon:

Well they still look human, just have really big heads. Like we--

Alphonso:

Literally like Megamind, like just big cranium proportions.

Jon:

And they have really big brains to make up for it, so they're really fucking smart.

Alphonso:

Jimmy Neutron motherfuckers.

Darren:

That's a practice in Africa.

Alphonso:

To make your head big?

Darren:

Yeah they place boards on their infant's head because infant heads and skulls are very soft. Yeah, like, um, like, all the bones aren't used yet. So the put like boards on the kids has it become like a slanted like, oh,

Jon:

yeah,

Alphonso:

I remember that. Okay. That's like some real like, interesting type of like, cosmetic like, like actually changing the human form. And like, people still

Darren:

do that today. You can find them on Amazon. It's a helmet you get for your baby and like the head grows into it. Today, like a perfect spherical head are perfectly spherical, because, like I could have been round Yeah, like perfect to dribble shape. Yeah.

Jon:

So these guys are the big heads. They're called the shoe. I'm just gonna call them big heads of the rest of the video because that's easier. Essentially, they have telepathic powers. They're kind of like they're kind of like the top dogs down here that the center of the fucking Earthright there kind of ones in charge of everything. Yeah. There's a second organization of aliens right? Called the S'neen.

Alphonso:

S'neen?

Jon:

S-Apostrophe-N-E-E-N, I believe is how you spell that.

Alphonso:

Okay.

Jon:

So these guys also have weird shaped heads, but they're shaped like cones, like they go-- they get really tall and go up like this.

Alphonso:

Oh like "Coneheads" from that movie.

Jon:

Exactly, it's exactly how they look. Yes, like that. Yeah. And they don't have powers, but they're really good at like human, not human just like biological experimentation. Oh, good scientists doctors. Kinda Yeah. So their main thing is that they have this other species that they grafted from their bodies like you remember piccolo Dragon Ball? Yeah, they did that. So if you're just throw up eggs, no, you know, like Piccolo was split into people down there yet. Okay, well, so essentially, they have like a good side, which is then with the coneheads. And then they grafted the evil part from their body

Alphonso:

like a jackal, ha, they're

Jon:

ripping out the hide. Yes. And I forget what they're called. But they look like elephants, so like really morbidly obese. They have trunks, and they're completely barbaric, right? They're just completely violent. And it's the coneheads responsibility to make sure that these motherfuckers stay like in line, right. One day, these guys so flash forward, right. This is 6600 years ago, 6600 years ago. This is where we are now. Right?

Alphonso:

Wow, that's not even that far left. Yeah. So

Jon:

6600 years ago. There's a royal family from both sides. So both of these have like a royal family that they listen to colin has in the back of minds. Yeah. I guess I'll call him back to go like that better. So the mega mines. They have a king called King few core, right? He's the one who's in charge. And he has two brothers. One is named Amo. And the other one is named. I think it's Ushak shock. So Ushak is basically like scar. Like he really fucking hates his brother. Okay, he wants to be king. He doesn't like what he rules. Okay, amo is the complete opposite. He does not give a shit about what's going on. He's the Jay Cole on the situation.

Darren:

Did you get Hanzo?

Jon:

So his brother Amo ends up falling in love with a human and gets exiled to live on the surface. Okay, so being exiled to the surface is a big deal, specifically because when you live on the center of the earth, you can live forever. So he's given up immortality. Yeah, he did that for love. So as long as you're on the center of the earth, you don't age but when you're on the surface, you ah, that's kind of how it works. Yeah, I can understand that. There's like a giant sun at the center of the earth that it's a whole thing. So essentially, his brother does that. And then over on the other side with the coneheads there's another king I forget his name. But what ends up happening is these elephant guys started attacking the mega mines, bases

Alphonso:

and stuff. So they're very evil spirits are attacking. Okay, so they

Jon:

all started attacking the mega mines, bases and stuff like that. They call them up like, Dude, you gotta get the shits mine. They try to but there's still tension between the two factions and everything is like your can't even like control your own. Yeah, you can't watch you guys, right? What are you doing here? So eventually, they end up making a deal where they're gonna marry each other's kids and stuff. Right? So kingview core is gonna marry the coneheads daughter Lucena and then the king of the conehead King was going to marry the other kids daughter or whatever, but it was it's whatever. That's not as important. What's really important is that few core ends up marrying the coneheads daughter named Lucena, right? She hates that shit she wants, she's like, I wanted to marry a conehead. What the fuck is going on? I think she doesn't like their culture. She didn't like anything about their people. The way that you walk the way that you talk. The way you dress. He just gets really bitter. And then she's sitting there like damn, are we gonna get back at him somehow? You know who else is really bitter? His brother, so Ooh, shock comes out. He's like, I also hate my brother did we should totally fuck so they do they have an affair and they have sex. They go they sneak away to almost house on the surface. And they multiple times they go and they hook up. They fuck in his brother's house. Yeah. And he's cool with it. So the Jonas Brothers house, and they have sex on the surface until eventually, they give birth to a little a little fucked up baby named Yaqoob. Right? Are you familiar with them? At face

Darren:

weight? Your Yakub like J is that where the term Yakubian apes comes from?

Jon:

Probably yeah.

Darren:

Do you know what that is? refer to it. It's like a slur for white people.

Jon:

I will tell you why. Let's go. Let's go.

Darren:

Okay, you go kick. Okay. Yeah, I

Jon:

got you. Oh, yes. You're absolutely right. connected the Yes. Oh my god. Okay. So I want you to pull up something real quick. I put something in the Google Drive. Okay, there's the first picture I have in there is a meme that you've probably seen before. It's a meme format you probably seen it's essentially Oh, what the fuck you ki read it out please. It's basically the

Darren:

the black abroad getting with the thug and like ditching the nerd. He's like, don't worry. He's just Yeah, neuro nerd. Why do they always pick thugs years later? Hey, Baby, Remember me? Beat it chick. Why can I have a good find a good man. Yeah. In the nerd is like rich and yeah

Jon:

as well. Yeah, that's the original one. I want you to pull the second one. That's the one I've seen for years and I never understood the second one.

Darren:

I've never understood. I've never seen this before. Look at it I've seen it for years I've done where maybe he's just a nerd. That's it. I'm creating white people did I funny thing too? Yes. I funny. Oh my god, I've actually never seen

Jon:

it. So it's the same, but he's getting bullied by them. And he says no, that's it. I'm creating.

Darren:

So the babies you cool horses just like the big heads

Jon:

the big head is Yakub, okay. Okay. Okay. So essentially what ends up happening few core finds out about this, this baby that they had. And because it's against all kinds of costumes, because obviously they cheated. All this kinds of other stuff. He ends up fucking, I guess assassinating him remember the word executing as a word, he executes his brother? And then says that Lucinda is never allowed to return to the Senator Senator death basically. Yeah, so basically, you said that you had to raise your babies. Like I'm not gonna kill the baby because I feel bad. But you had to raise the baby. So as a result, she kills herself. She would rather die than stay there and raise the baby in the light kids are left fatherless. So what ends up happening is amo ends up raising his nephew. Because of what happened. Your coop ends up becoming super fucking spiteful. Like, I mean, obviously, who wouldn't be

Alphonso:

spiteful to who in this just in general, like he hates life? Like, I

Jon:

fucking hate people in general. I hate all of you. This sucks, right? So eventually that spy ends up turning towards I hate black people, essentially, is

Alphonso:

what it is. All these aliens are black. Because they're all

Jon:

black. Humans are black. I just hate like the color black on humans, I think. I think they're all terrible people.

Darren:

I hate people. So I'm gonna make my own.

Jon:

Yeah, essentially. So one day, he's sitting there playing with magnets, right? And he's really, he's realizing there's like a positive and a negative force. What's going on here? So he puts together he's like, Wait, if black people are the positive force, then I can make a white race. That's the negative force. So eventually, easy, you know, this is in the back of his mind. He's a black alien, right? Yeah. Okay. He goes up to his uncle. And he tells him uncle, one day, I'm going to make a people who will rule you. He tells him that she's like, for the first time. He goes to school, they all bully him for having a big head. They call him Big Head. And he fucking obviously that makes them even more angry, right? So over time, he ends up going to every college in the country. Every single college, he's graduated from all of them. They had college like 6600 years ago. Yeah. Because remember, they're super advanced society. So he ends up graduating from every college by the time he's 18. Specifically, he was learning biology, and like genetics and stuff like that there Cook, because he remembered that his uncle was telling stories about the grafting about these people who created the elephant people from down below, they created them for the evil part of themselves, right? So he ends up doing all this stuff. And as the first phase of his plan, he makes this religion called tricknology. Right? Yeah, trick Knology. And he writes a book called Tricknology 120 degrees, I believe is what it's called. What? I don't know, man. You start spreading this religion among all the people. And essentially, what it is, is it's according to the Nation of Islam. Technology is also what white people use now to hold black people down the crossover. It's essentially it's kind of like discrimination, hate, hate, we're better, you're bad at like, stuff like that. He started spreading that to people. And it starts spreading as a religion, and the king of the humans of this specific region, this over in your Mecca, right? The king of the humans in this region, arrest them. It's like, Dude, you gotta fucking What the fuck are you doing?

Alphonso:

Are you spreading hate speech in my country?

Jon:

He's like, Okay, what would it take for you to like, actually stop, you know, doing this shit. And he's like, Well, give me enough food to last for 20 years, and I've got you covered fam. So he does all this because he's super fucking nerdy. All this stuff is going on. He's like, give us give us 20 years of food. And I'll leave you alone. give give give me enough to make my own technologist civilization. And I got you right, I'll leave you alone. So him and 59,999 of his closest followers, they get on a boat and they sail from Africa to Patmos right over it over in Greece. Because over in your Mecca they can't sail up to it even though it's right there, they have to sail all the way around the continent like that. So, when they do this, all of a sudden the second phase of his plan starts and on the boat on the way there he starts breeding with all the different women who are his followers there right. The ones who are lighter complexion him keep the ones who are darker complexion, you know, throw overboard and kill. Go he starts selectively breeding people to be lighter. Obviously, throughout this process, people are like, What the fuck are you doing? I didn't realize this is what I was signing up for. I'm outta here. So they start jumping overboard. And then that's how you get people in Sub Saharan Africa. They start jumping overboard and actually like spreading throughout Africa that way. So by the time he gets to Patmos, I believe he only has like, 3000. Wow, he lost a lot. I think that 95% of people ended up like leaving from this. Yeah. Rational. Yeah, like, what the fuck is going on here. He goes there, he starts actually breeding all these people up together. And at this point, you know, his plan starts going into action. He would if a baby was too dark, he would stab them in the head with a needle to kill them. And then he would do either one of two things. He would feed them to a wild animal, like a tiger or some shit. And then if he couldn't find one of those, he'll just incinerate them just burn them instead. So he fucking hate him. So from there, I end up doing that he dies at the age of like, 150. Right? Yeah, he dies at the age of 150. And then from there, time, you know, this plan keeps going as planned is already in motion. His followers continue where he

Alphonso:

started. Yeah, so like the breeding lighter races. So

Jon:

200 years later, a new race evolves called the rheumatoid tribe. They're a tribe with red skin.

Alphonso:

Okay, so like Native Americans. Okay, so they end up doing

Jon:

that eventually they end up going to America. Another tribe forms called the sitch annoyed tribe with as yellow skin. They end up becoming Asians. So

Alphonso:

this is all through just breeding out lighter races. Yes.

Darren:

So as he tried to say that, like all races, but black or hate hatred, no.

Jon:

So all of those other races are counted in black, according to the religion because

Alphonso:

they're still black adjacent. They're

Jon:

still considered Asiatic people, according to everything, because

Alphonso:

his whole point was to have like the perfect antithesis. So if you're still black, and you this still means that those that good in you, in a sense, so you have to be completely devoid of color to be evil. I guess that's where this is going. Yes. Okay. So

Jon:

he ends

Darren:

up with a mentioned by the head, smaller eyes. No.

Jon:

So he also invents birth control. And Planned Parenthood.

Alphonso:

I mean, yeah. Sounds about right, men's birth control

Jon:

and Planned Parenthood to kill black babies, essentially. I

Darren:

mean, that's not too far. Yeah. I

Jon:

mean, that's stuff like that. I can see why they incorporated like that and their religion because I mean, it's true. Yeah. So he ends up doing all that. And eventually, like, 500 however, many years later, the new race has finally made the album noids also known as white people. And instantly they're just fucking evil. That is they just, there's so fucking like, they just hate every Yeah, I just described them as beasts like, essentially, Yeah, fucking monsters. So these white people march back to that kingdom that he was eventually he was originally like, kicked out from the center of the earth. No, no, no, the one where the humans like arrested him and sent data going back over there for their revenge, and they riot and they start tearing down the fucking city and everything. Until eventually, the king arrests all of them. He's like, Dude, what are you with? Your fucking weird?

Alphonso:

You so pale?

Jon:

Yeah. Where you're so pale, where you just wonder people. So all these these white people are fucking monsters tearing Shut up the rioting. He rents them all. And then he's gonna march them all to the caucus mountains, right? Ah, fuck out of there. Yes, I'm gonna mark them out of the caucus mountains. Before he does, he strips them naked. And he says their bodies are so unsightly, he I had to give them the clothing back. So eventually, he marches them, they go to the caves in the caucus mountains. And there, they live for 2000 years, right?

Alphonso:

So 6666 years or whatever. So

Jon:

originally is about 66,000 years. Then after the plan is completed. I think it's about 6000 years ago. So then 600

Alphonso:

years, selectively breeding. Yeah. So you put them into four, then that's wrong. Egypt, so they have ancient Egypt. So

Jon:

then, I guess doing timeline wise after 2000 years, it'd be about 4000 BCE. Yeah, around that timeframe. So they're in there for 2000 years. During that timeframe. He says that they develop a taste for raw unseasoned food.

Darren:

Nice. That explains it. Yeah. I

Jon:

wasn't really familiar with this. Yeah. They ended up loving animals so much, because there are beasts themselves, they end up getting a bond with dogs. And, you know, big friend wild animals, essentially.

Alphonso:

He's like druids and shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Darren:

Well, also just domesticating Yeah. So this is

Jon:

the domesticated them because they're animals. They like each other. Essentially. They were animal fur in the winter because they can't handle the cold. And I'm trying to remember, I think so. Oh, eventually. They want to try to reincorporate themselves back into black society like every once in a while one of them will leave the cave and try to go find a black person. And they will try to have a kid with them. When that happened, they will turn into a gorilla. The white person, the white person, up to eight, yes, do the white person would turn into a gorilla. Like throughout the process of trying to become black again, they'll turn to a girl and like, and it also says like, Oh, if you look at white people, they love to climb. Because all apes came from white people. What they said is all apes came from this. They flipped out all apes came from white people. They love to climb. They like bananas. They like fucking random shit like being destructive. They're animalistic. So, yeah, all that stuff, right. So like, I think it doesn't specify, but I'm pretty sure they're saying like monkeys, chimps, all that stuff as well. I'm primate. They specify gorillas. But yeah. So eventually, you know, every once in a while they send someone to go over there to check, check on him and see what was going on there. So eventually, they sent this guy named Moses to go check on him, right? This guy, Moses, he goes over there. And he's like, he leads them out of the cave, because he thinks they're good people. He's like, Oh, my God, you guys are awesome.

Alphonso:

So then monkey friends.

Jon:

He thinks they're cool. So he's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go lay help y'all out. You're gonna be a little friends and everything. And then they end up turning on him. And he's like, holy shit. Y'all are fucking weird. You're ugly, you're freaks, you're monsters. You're evil. So he blows up 300 of them with dynamite. Moses, Moses, those dynamite at them, it just blows up 300 of them. And then they just rip them apart, they can kill him. So he never led them to a promised land. No, so that

Alphonso:

was, that was a different Moses.

Jon:

So a large part of the Nation of Islam, as it says that a lot of biblical stories or misinterpretations of how

Darren:

they listen interpreted that like, that was a long shot like him, leading them to the cold, gold, golden land. None of that hassle just looking blew them up and dying, quote, unquote, Promised

Jon:

Land, is them getting out of the cave, essentially, is what it was. That was, yeah. So they he led them to the surface world where they could they're free to be as evil as they want, essentially, is what it was. So also, your coup is called that, because that is the Middle Eastern Arabic pronunciation for Jacob. Yeah, so I was like, you know, Yaqoob is the biblical like,

Alphonso:

every time so you see, Jacob is yuku. Jacob is

Jon:

your coop, he's the one who created the tribes of Israel. That is what he's known. Yeah. So essentially, what they're saying is that white people, and also as a result, Jews are part of this. The Nation of Islam is also anti semitic, and everything as well. The most recent leader, he's also done plenty of speeches talking about how Jews run the world. And they run Hollywood and all that shit as well, because they're the creation of Yoku, as well, essentially, I think what they're saying is that Jews were the original white people, or something like that. Jesus was not Jesus was black, and stuff like that. But yeah, um, they go to the surface, tear shit up. And essentially, from there, you know, you have the Roman Empire, the Greeks, all that stuff, they take over the world, subjugate black people. And that's kind of that that's a comeback story. Yeah. And because of that, they they have the myth and everything that one day, they're always gonna return. He's gonna bomb white people and turn Earth back into a utopia, where black people are in charge, and everything. That is essentially how the story goes.

Alphonso:

And you know what's gonna be crazy. And if you even if you believe that, it's only gonna happen again, because think about it the first time I think, a blue of the planet, it was only one black race left. So if you're repeating this shit, you're gonna get another Jacob. Like, you're just gonna have an all black society then like, I fucking hate these black people. Yeah. And then wow, that's like, that is such a weird, like, circular prophecy if that's like, true, you know? Like, if it's true.

Jon:

You know, I'm gonna call it Jacob. He like wrestled the angel, and stuff like that. Jacob got like goodwill with God because He wrestled an angel in one.

Alphonso:

Angel. We said why do you wrestle the angel?

Jon:

I don't remember why. I think they're just trying to test him. And he wrestled the angel and won and then that's how he had like the chosen people from his kids and everything like

Alphonso:

throw my jokes and

Jon:

of course, according to Malcolm X the king on the surface world that like exiled them to Patmos he was the angel that Jacob wrestled and everything got his look back. Yeah, but yeah, that's that's the majority of it right there. That's fucking I went down a whole rabbit hole trying to read through what all was going on there. You

Alphonso:

went through a fucking wormhole, bro. Deep. Yeah.

Jon:

I mean, Lisa. It's very interesting. I like it. So this was this was definitely like you definitely See how is all tied in with like this was

Alphonso:

all because of Amina? I just want this all started because Lily

Darren:

did your research just because of the meme. Yeah.

Jon:

I so I was on Twitter and there was a thread where someone made a graphic novel about Yaqoob. And I put the pieces together. I was like, Wait, the head looks familiar. I'm gonna look up this meme. So I looked up the meme. I found it. Oh my God, that's the same guy. And then from there, I started doing a shit ton of research. I was reading books, newspapers, like YouTube fucking rabbit holes, forums like shit like that. That was Yeah, wow. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, I mean, it explains why I've always felt naturally evil. My entire life. Animalistic. Why I really like dogs. I like climbing trees right from the horse's mouth. Yeah, I mean, it really helps me understand why I am as evil as I am.

Darren:

You know, apologize and kiss her feet.

Jon:

I should. I really should. Yeah. My father needs you to Darren. Oh, everyone with me now was referred to him actually.

Darren:

I didn't make call him because my Asian. Yeah.

Jon:

Yeah, they've referred to him as like the father of the white race. You could call me like the the white skinned blue eyed devil.

Alphonso:

Blue eyes white skin.

Jon:

I think it was the other thing was they said that like, if you're black, but you have different colored eyes, you're not Black was different.

Darren:

It's a mutation where black people are missing the the component in their eyes that darkens it. So yeah, basically, that layer of your eyes gone. Blue. Oh, yeah.

Jon:

It wasn't just that. They're specifically talking about like mix people and stuff like that. Like, oh, sometimes you'll see someone who looks black, but they're not. Don't be fooled by their trick. Yeah, so So Drake is one of your Qubes greatest soldiers. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel about the story? As a black man? Are

Darren:

you on board? Yeah.

Alphonso:

That was very informative. Yeah. Wow.

Jon:

I know. You asked me if your mom would have told you this. I have absolutely no idea why your mom would have told you.

Alphonso:

No. I mean, I've heard about the yuku part not like that part. Yeah, cope is the most famous aspect yeah, I've I've known about that. But like from more of like the mainstream religion standpoint, but that that whole segue? No, that was that was new to me. Yeah. Wow.

Jon:

Jacoby and gorillas apes.

Darren:

Have you ever heard that before? I've heard it.

Alphonso:

I didn't. I that was my first. That was a whole Oh my god.

Jon:

Yeah. Holy. Jesus Christ. I

Alphonso:

can't I don't even know what to say to that man. By Okay. Out of all my conspiracy theories as someone I've listened to religions off like a religion. Oh, shit. Out of all the religions I have heard and interpreted it that is definitely up there with the most zany and like, wonder if shit I've ever

Jon:

wonder is,

Darren:

along with Scientology, which coincidentally, they kind of created each other. Yeah.

Alphonso:

Like that self fulfilling thing, like the whites and the blacks always been, you know, good and bad. Two sides of the same coin.

Jon:

Dan, are you saying they're like a yin and yang type ology.

Darren:

And Oh, see, do you think white people are evil?

Alphonso:

I just let this be known. I do not have any animosity towards the lighter skinned people. But I do think he thinks

Darren:

there are some accuracy to it. But

Alphonso:

I do think if the shoe fits, just like we've seen in history, Mo FUCK YOU BETTER Where that shit?

Jon:

Oh, yeah. No, I was just laughing the entire time. I was kind of crazy. Like, the religion stuff was like 50,000 200,000 people, I think following it. Like it's a lot higher number than you would expect. It's higher than Scientology.

Darren:

Scientology doesn't have 100,000 members.

Jon:

It has like 40,000

Alphonso:

I think what does it pay to win religion? So it'd be pretty rare. But

Darren:

you can still be on the lower tiers and just like join for, like free to play?

Jon:

I think so the numbers say there's like 100,000 of them. But it's it doesn't. It says there's like 40,000 active members. Which you can't really be an inactive member of a religion.

Darren:

It is 40,000 What the fuck that is way lower than I thought is way lower. Yeah.

Jon:

But yeah, the majority of people.

Darren:

How did it tie into Freemasons again, um,

Jon:

they incorporate aspects of Freemasonry in the actual religion. So religious

Alphonso:

smorgasbord, they just don't like Yeah, that's cool. This is cool.

Jon:

So specifically, it said that it incorporated aspects of black Freemasonry, but I don't really know what the difference is between the two. I wouldn't know that either. But I know specifically during speeches, they have referred to it and like say, oh, yeah, Freemasons use aspects of things from over in Egypt, because it was originally a black thing that white people took for themselves and turned into Freemasonry. That's why they have like You know the Illuminati and shit like that like the Eye of Horus, all of that are supposed to be like representations of them stealing aspects of black culture and incorporating it into the Freemasons. And then he also said that they were correct about like, the importance of numbers and like how they all have hidden meanings and stuff is designed on purpose to have hidden meanings with the numbers and stuff like that. It probably goes deeper than that but that's in the short amount of research I did on that specific aspect. That's what I saw. But yeah, I mean, one of the thumbnails I saw for the thing had Mr. Beast in it that represent white people I think the idea of him the Mark of the Beast oh fuck

Alphonso:

oh so much going on.

Jon:

Are there any other like crazy conspiracy theories that we have not addressed on this podcast before?

Alphonso:

I don't know we got the time or research to go into some of that is like oh my god, dude. But like, the ones that I like to think about are definitely like the the experimenting with our food. I do think there are some truth to that. Because I mean, it just says genetically modified like you are fucking around with like the nature of food. Now we've done that for years just through like selective breeding. But I do you think there is a you should be cautious about doing it straight out of like a lab versus like,

Darren:

I actually had a conspiracy theory. I have notes on that ties into that. Oh, shit. Yeah. I kind of wanted to save it for like a better like, I don't know. Like conscious. Yeah, podcast.

Alphonso:

It was like a little like, talk

Darren:

to you talk to you. Because I think let's just go into it. So cool. so hear me out. Yeah. If you look at the data on everything, children are actually hitting puberty sooner.

Alphonso:

I didn't notice that. I've noticed that. So

Darren:

basically, like food is inducing GMO, GMO food growth hormone. All that is probably inducing people to project like, not only that, probably also make more estrogen and testosterone who plants have estrogen. So soy products or soy products get metabolized in your body. It makes estrogen. Like the hormone estrogen is a byproduct.

Jon:

Okay, yeah. So

Darren:

I probably was

Jon:

tied in with estrogen. I just didn't know that. It was specifically like, yeah, and

Darren:

then growth hormone probably can, in males produce more testosterone, right? That's why you have females, it's actually predominantly females that are hitting puberty sooner, too. It's probably because of soy products. Like, you know, estrogen as a byproduct. Just making the enough period sooner. Isn't that weird?

Alphonso:

Because I've always just heard just like, in general, consensus, girls just hit puberty like quicker than guys. But like, Yeah, but

Darren:

now it's even sooner. Yeah. Even sooner. Okay, kind of thing. But, yeah, that's like, basically the conspiracy theory of like, just foods making us age. I do think. I mean, we've

Jon:

already been kind of proven to this point, disagreement.

Alphonso:

Yeah. But like, we just have to see how this plays out in like, a long, also

Darren:

interesting soy products also increases risk of breast cancer, because you're producing more estrogen and it fucks with your hormones. Yeah. Okay. But also, I'd like a fun little segue I wanted to put into it. Okay, so the FDA, the Food Drug Administration, basically enforces what's allowed in food, what's not allowed in food, what you can sell what you can't sell on a retail market. If you guys like research anything about raw milk? No, like, why is it like raw raw raw milk comes straight from the fucking cow? You cannot sell it. It's illegal. Went into the FDA,

Alphonso:

FDA. There's some thing in the cows, right that we can have or like is potentially because

Jon:

it can't put the growth hormones in it.

Darren:

Maybe? I don't know. Well, like milk from a milk in general, raw milk already has growth hormone in it. Yeah. It also has like, antibodies, and it helps like the child's immune system for the babies grow. Yeah, exactly. So

Alphonso:

keep the human milk does it? Yeah, yeah.

Darren:

But obviously a lot more vitamins a lot more hormones a lot more immunity, because it's from a larger animal. Yeah. And also, like you, we talked about this briefly how humans are born prematurely. That's why animals most of them walk straight out of the womb, but humans can't. Yes, we evolved to give birth prematurely. But some of the biggest FDA, like sponsored raids, of like, just like rating buildings that are like, like, what do you call it? Not following FDA guidelines. A ton of them have been overall milk. Like some of the biggest FDA raids in California have been a bit over raw milk, like in the early 2000s. Not not drugs, or anything fucking raw milk. And like, drinking raw milk isn't really as different as like consuming raw fish. Like, the chance of getting sick is probably just as high if not maybe a little higher. But like you're allowed to eat raw beef in this country, raw pork, you're allowed to eat, you know, raw fish we talked about, and all of those can give you parasites and you can also get sick from eating those. And yeah, you know, why not just legalize raw milk? Well, the United States historically has a really close tie with dairy companies, especially during the Great Depression and World War Two we like the US government subsidized dairy farms to produce more cheese produce more milk for their soldiers abroad that can you know, like, quench their thirst on that eat the cheese, eat the meat all that yeah, I'm also a kind of just kick started the economy back in the Great Depression, like farmers needed more quotas and like stuff to do and they needed to raise the quotas so dairy farming became super prominent after World War Two people were coming back home there was no more fighting we there's no point in like shipping milk outside, you know, because there's no war. Yeah. So what they did is that the government took all the all that raw milk we had and turn it into cheese. And now we have like a ton of vaults. Yeah, just for cheese in this country, which is kind of sad. Yeah. So I don't know. Basically, the government the FDA controls what you can eat what you can't eat, even if it doesn't make any sense. Because in my opinion, if we're allowed to eat raw fish, why not legalize raw milk?

People on this episode

Contributor

Alphonso

Host
Contributor

Darren

Host
Contributor

Jon

Host