The Aliens of Gobleki Tepi

On this week's episode of The Scat Cast we delve into not only the past, but the future, too. You won't want to miss it!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

If I saw an alien, the first question I would like genuinely ask them is like what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Oh, stop like young niggas are not laughing. I am.

SPEAKER_04 0:20

Dude, dude. You're thinking about it like the aliens here, right?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

I would really want to know. I'm John. I'm Alfonso.

SPEAKER_05 0:29

And I'm Darren. Welcome to the Scat cast. We don't know either. So I was like donating platelets yesterday at the Red Cross. I was telling you. And I like when I'm there, it takes like two or three hours, so I just watch like movies and shit. Yeah. I usually I watch Mission Impossible. I've seen like I've done it three times. I've seen Mission Impossible one, two, and three. Okay. While sitting there.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

I'll take about the same movie three times. But then Netflix got rid of uh Is that like better or worse than something being like an airplane movie? It's kind of crazy. It's worse. Like this this movie's only worth watching while I'm getting my platelets removed. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 0:59

Oh yeah, because I have nothing else to say. I can't use my phone because you have to keep your arm straight. Oh, you use both arms? Yeah, yeah, because it takes the blood out of here and it puts it back in your hand. Like dialysis. Yeah, it's basically dialysis, but they take out platelets. Yeah. How sad. But yeah, for some reason, they don't use IV catheters. They just use the fucking needles and they leave them in there. So you have to keep your arms straight the whole time. Or else you like you fucking close it, you poke yourself.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

So like I'm just and it hurts too, because they're fucking needles in your arms for like two hours. So yeah, Netflix removed all their Mission Impossible movies. And they only had Netflix. So it's probably on Paramount Plus.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

How was K-pop Demon Hunters?

SPEAKER_05 1:37

I watched um their dinosaur their entire dinosaur series. Oh the new one? The new dinosaurs documentary.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Wow, okay. It's a very big change. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46

There was nothing else that interested me.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Espionage and dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_05 1:49

Dinosaurs are cool. I was watching it and then like episode three or something, it was like, and then something happened that changed the Jurassic era forever. The first flowers, I was like, I pause it. I was like, wait, dinosaurs are older than flowers? That's crazy. That's actually really interesting. I was like, what the fuck? I looked this up after. I was like, oh my God. It's true. Like they're older than flowers.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

So I guess because the first type of plant would be algae, and algae doesn't need to flower to reproduce.

SPEAKER_05 2:15

There was like algae's and then grass and then trees, right? And it was just like basically grass trees, like saplings don't count as flowers.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

You're right.

SPEAKER_05 2:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

Um, I think I heard too, sharks are older than trees. Yeah, because they would be watering.

SPEAKER_05 2:28

Dinosaurs would be older than trees? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

Yeah, sharks. They're water babies. Sharks are older than trees. Sharks and alligators. Flowers? I know. Wait. Yeah, no, sharks. Alligators probably. Sharks would have sharks and alligators.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Alligators are the one species that are.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

Alligators might be older.

SPEAKER_05 2:43

Well, would freshwater exist before saltwater? That's actually a real question. I also learned there's like a big difference between dinosaurs and reptiles. Like dinosaurs are not reptiles. They're birds. Yeah. Pterosaurs are not dinosaurs, and mesosaurs are not a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Wait, walk that back a second. So they all come from eggs. I know the whole bird thing. What do you mean like they're different? So where's the distinction between reptile and bird? Because I thought I know they're very close together.

SPEAKER_05 3:06

Some dinosaurs were warm-blooded.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 3:08

Um the thing is with reptiles. But with things with reptiles, they're cold-blooded. It's like that that's a thing. And um that's all I know, honestly. Okay, so warm bloods are. Because like reptiles have beaks and teeth. That's what I was saying. There's a lot more simulators.

SPEAKER_04 3:21

Dinosaurs are like where they branched off, and then birds are just descended from dinosaurs. Yes. So really birds are dinosaurs instead of dinosaurs being birds, but yeah. Okay. So like it really started off that simple because like most of them back in the day probably had feathers and stuff, too. No, no, they said velociraptors had feathers.

SPEAKER_05 3:37

Um, most of the small ones had feathers. We don't know about the big ones, like T-Rexes and such.

SPEAKER_04 3:40

Well, there's certain ones where they can see like the patterns. Yeah, on their like skins. Yeah, so they can tell that some of them had feathers, but with that, yeah, like it's weird to think about, but they're not classified as reptiles because they have like some fundamental difference.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

And they also don't know if warm-blooded is the big one. And they also don't know if they ever roared or not because they have similar to bird skulls. Birds don't roar, they chirp. So they're like they hypothesis that T-Rex is actually just me, like, yeah, I have heard that.

SPEAKER_05 4:07

Yeah. I have a new favorite dinosaur because that makes you there's this uh part of the Tyrannus family called U Tyrannus. Yeah, yeah. And it's a basically a T-Rex that is covered in fur and feathers and lives in the Arctic. It's just cool. It's so fucking like.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

That'll be like imagine like a polar bear, and then you see this fucking 12-foot.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

There wouldn't be a polar bear, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Just like the prehistoric, because it's like a fucking Ursa minor or major with those big ass bears. You know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_05 4:30

The existed at different times because mammals became like like the dominance of mammals came into the dinosaurs. You know what my favorite dinosaur is a fucking thing.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

No, that's hard. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 4:38

That's like the last thing you hear is like a chirp, like my what is your favorite dinosaur? I'm trying to think of mine.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Mine, okay.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

I don't remember the name of mine.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Mine's has a very funny name. I wonder if anyone can guess the name of the dinosaur before I say it.

SPEAKER_04 4:50

I know saying it.

SPEAKER_05 4:52

I'm not gonna say it. Is it the Nigerosaurus? You said it wrong. I'm not gonna say it though. Yeah. The Nigasaurus eleven.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

So how it's pronounced? I think it is.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

It's it's it's nice or nigga, it's how you but like it has like a hundred teeth. That's why it's so fucking weird. It's like a hundred or a thousand teeth, and it's just really fucking weird.

SPEAKER_05 5:10

It's a really big difference.

SPEAKER_04 5:12

I forget the name of the dinosaur I'm thinking of. It might have been like the the Xinosaurus or something. It's a bipedal dinosaur. It stands up like tall as fuck. Like it walks completely upright. It has like opposable thumbs and these giant fucking like two claws out the front. Look at this guy. I do fuck with that. Look at it. You can't be mad.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

It's so stupid.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

I'm trying, like, I can't remember the the name of it, but it's like this fucking biped. Like it looks like a dude in a dinosaur costume.

SPEAKER_05 5:42

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 5:42

Like it they would say it again. Describe it. I think it's called the Thesinosaurus. Zena? Theseinosaurus, yeah, with a Z. But it's like this giant, like, imagine like a nine foot tall reptilian dude who wrestles. Like these fucking like would actually wrestle and shit with their arms. They have like opposable thumbs and shit, and two giant like claws for their fucking fingers. Yes, that one, bro. They're fucking sick. What's it called, Darren?

SPEAKER_05 6:07

He's right. The the the Rizinosaurus? Yeah. The rhizosa. Yes, bro. That shit's crazy. Too. They were considered bipedal. They um like their their front arms were like totally like different appendages than their back legs. I was like, bro, like the fucking like uh that's another thing that's it that's different between dinner. This thing is bipedal? Yes, that's the difference between dinosaurs and reptiles, too. Dinosaurs are all bipedal. You're fucking lying. No, yes, I guess it's true because they have like I'm saying, like, like yeah, they stand on all fours, but their appendages from the front back are totally different. Yeah, so that would give them more creed to the bird. And yes, that makes sense. Same thing with birds. But thing is, with birds though, you'd think they derive from pterosaurs, but like I'm saying, pterosaurs and dinosaurs, two different families.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

So where do pterosaurs you mean like the flying ones? Yes, right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Yeah, pterosaurs are the ones that fly. Yeah. Mesosaurs are the ones that are in the sea, and then there's dinosaurs, the land-based ones.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Yeah, because like pterodactyls and stuff aren't dinosaurs, they're completely different.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

Yeah, they're pterosaurs. I was like, I didn't know there was a difference between them.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:04

Uh there's so much I didn't know about dinosaurs. I was like, dude, I'm not a little bit of a big thing. I like the Ketzakawatilus.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

That's probably my favorite of the pterosaurs, is definitely the Ketzaquatilus. That shit's badass. I've always got to be like that fucking Aztec thingy? Uh well, that's where it gets the name from, but it's like a pterodactyl, but it's fucking huge. It's like it's the one-that's the biggest one. Yeah, it's the one that has like the 30-foot wingspan. I'm the biggest bird. It's so big, it fucking like walks around like on all fours sometimes and shit.

SPEAKER_05 7:29

Oh, that thing for this was in the documentary, I'm pretty sure. That thing for skulls. Yeah, it's like hunting down four of these like really tiny, um, the fuck are they called? The ones with really long necks, it's like special.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Frills, the little frill ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:38

Uh yeah, and it's Orithomimus or whatever the fuck? Maybe, but I'm like rooting for like these small little Brondosaurus shits. I'm like, dude, come on. You like escape them and then I get into a cave, and I'm like, oh dude, they all made it. Let's go! Yeah, and then this one fucking retard dinosaur just like sticks his head out, gets grabbed by the bitch and flown away. I'm like, oh my god. That's so sad. That shit's awesome. I feel like that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Well, someone had to be the lookout, bro.

SPEAKER_05 7:59

You know, dude, they showed like the dinosaur ancestor of like the duck. It was like the it was like, yeah, this is the spinosaurus' competition. It's a fucking duck-sized dinosaur that just swims really fucking fast. That shit's cool.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

So it just out competes him for food, I guess. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 8:11

I fucking love dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_05 8:12

Dinosaurs are it wasn't it wasn't like their direct competitor, but it was like the North American version of it. And the Spinosaurus was dominant on like the uh eastern side of the globe. That makes sense. Okay, because this is a time when North America and Asia were like two different things.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

And it also what gives such crazy credence is like you realize that like the Middle East really was like the crescent of life because that's what all the oil and stuff is, and what makes oil these niggas.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

You hear that like old oil deposits are refilling? Really? Yes. How? Like I don't know, no one knows how. But they're like, but now now they're like they're like this more stuff decompresses.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

It kind of just Yeah, that's that's the current theory is that there's just enough eons past where it's like a more continuous cycle of refilling.

SPEAKER_04 8:55

Well, no, no, no, like over time stuff's gonna break down. Like you'll have worms that go through and eat shit, and then it just gets compacted.

SPEAKER_05 9:01

The current theory is that the deposits are just deeper than once we once thought. And since the plates are moving, it's rising. Pushing them up, okay. But some people were speculating, like, oh, maybe oil is not completely made from a biological process. Maybe it's like in the earth or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 9:15

I don't I don't know what oil is made from. Like it's literally millions of year old plant matter. I'm saying, like, like chemically, I don't know like what the fuck it is. I don't know if it's something that could be made without light. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

I okay, I get you.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

I get you. I get you. I don't know how that shit works.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Crude oil is the dinosaur juice.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

I'm not a chemist, bro. I fucking almost flunked out of chemistry. I hated that shit.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

Yeah. Dude, so like so like oil is from fossils, right? Yeah. And fossils come from like dead dinosaurs. Yeah. So like plastic dinosaurs are like. Dinosaurs from dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

They're like dinosaur squared or cubes. Yeah. How you want to make it. It's like making like human art out of corpses or something. They did that. Oh, oh, okay. Speaking of history, you know they found a civilization older than like Egypt? Like, it goes back towards. There's been lots of them. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. I mean, like, they have like basically it's been discredited because they don't want to, you know, because we talked about this in one of our previous episodes, how like scientists love to disagree with each other. Basically, this guy found in uh I'm gonna show you guys a YouTube video later. I'm gonna butcher it because I watched it's like. So they're called the Mesopotamia. No, they're called it's somewhere in Turkey. Have you ever heard of Babylon? No, no, no. It's like in Oh guys, stop, hold on.

unknown 10:24

Stop!

SPEAKER_04 10:26

This is like really bullying you're gonna be able to do that. This is so fucking cool.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Have you ever heard of Yakub? Stop. Huh. It's like 12,000 years old. Ancient.

SPEAKER_05 10:37

But yeah, the thing with the font, like the plant life is that like finally you had like beetles that would like the first pollinators and they would split spread the flowers around. And then the flowers and like this new introduction to the floor. Beetles came before like flies and stuff? That's crazy. I don't know. I mean, flies aren't pollinators. I figured they would be because they still eat like food and would spread it around and shit. I don't I don't know. I'm pretty sure flies mainly eat dead matter, don't they? Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

I don't know, yeah, yeah. Regardless, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 11:00

They're not like traditional pollinators. Yeah. But yeah, like the like the new plant life and shit gave the dinosaurs like more food, especially the small little like herbivore ones, like not the big Brontosaurus that like literally had to eat 24-7 to like keep the stay alive, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Okay, found it. So go have you ever heard of go blobili tech goblik bro? You can't even say it. Although I haven't heard of it. It's Glob Goblateki. Glob Goblateki. It's in Turkey, it's what is 9,000 years old. They found a sister site in Turkey that is go go-go ble Gobeklateki. So basically they found a sister site. So basically in the same region, but like hundreds of kilometers apart. So arguably, like they wouldn't hundreds of kilometers apart would not be in like remote. I mean thousands, thousands, thousands. Like enough to where like it's like if the whole idea of like trade and resources came from modern idea of like Egyptians and like the that part, like the the whatever the fuck was in India and Egyptians was like the idea of trade. In these sites, they found that there was human art. As in like they basically everyone thought human sculptures came from like that French cave and whatever the fuck it came from Egypt. And they thought that before that humans really weren't trying to like show the human form.

SPEAKER_05 12:10

Either that or it wasn't preserved.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Either that or it wasn't perversed.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

Even then there's cave paintings and shit. They would always have artists.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

But these predate cave paintings. That's what I'm like saying. It's like they made like basically, you know how-there's cave paintings from like before there was civilization and shit, though. That's but the that's- I'm saying this this predates all of that. Like, you know how like Darren was talking about earlier that like humans have been what of like 65,000 years or something like that? Like the human. Yeah. 70 around that, yeah. Basically, Egypt starts from 3,000 years ago, and then like certain civilizations go to like 4,000, 5,000. This is 12,000. More than 3,000 years ago. Yeah, Babylon was like 10,000 years ago. No, it wasn't. Yeah, it was. Babylon's like 5,000.

SPEAKER_05 12:48

3,000 years ago, I'm pretty sure it was like Rome.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Oh, okay. Egypt's 4,000, 4 to 5,000. And then Babylon's. Keep in mind we're in 2000 AD. 6,000 Babylon?

SPEAKER_05 12:58

Yeah, because we're closer to it's half, it's literally. Yeah, because we're closer to Cleopatra than Cleopatra was to the pyramids.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

Yeah, that's that's the true. I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that like Sumeria or Babylon were like around 10,000 BCE.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

10,000 BC sounds like some dinosaur shit, but I could be right. I think the Ice Age. Bro, dinosaurs around millions. I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

65 million years ago was like the last dinosaurs. So that's basically 65,000.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

3,000 BCE or 7th century CE. So 3,000 BCE, so 5,000 years ago was Babylon. These guys are 7,000 more years behind them, and they have evidence of like a Silk Road by then. That can't be true.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

That's Jesus is around zero, bro. There's no way civilization was only around for like 3,000 years before Jesus. No, it's it's way longer than that.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 13:42

They found a site that That's why like there's there's like we knew about stuff before that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

But we had no concrete evidence. So basically, most but what I'm trying to say, scientists discredited this guy and throwed his theory because he died before they were.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

Scientists are historians.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Archaeologists. What can I call it? Are they scientists? Yeah, they're scientists. Okay, okay. So archaeologist scientists, they discredited him in the 80s and 90s when he found out that like most people think like the common form of measurement came from like the qubits or whatever the fucking Egyptians. The Egyptians, but they he came up.

SPEAKER_05 14:11

My mind went to Transformers as soon as you said the Q.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

But he this guy who did the research found in like where like the original like British people, the Anglo-Saxons, basically the British people, because they're all in islands. So the idea is like you didn't have good enough boats back then to travel far distances. They found people in France, Britain, and another island in Scotland or island, whatever islands further than Britain, all had the same unit of measure. So how did niggas in France have the same unit of measurement 12,000 years ago? And it they called it the Paleolithic meter. Basically, it was roughly like two and a half feet.

SPEAKER_05 14:42

What was it based off of?

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Dude, I they they don't know yet, but they called basically they all communicated the the or the early British, the early Island ascribers, whoever's island, and then the French, who are also all the way on this site, all had the same unit of measurement, and they discredited you to like 300 different sites or 300 different like pieces of evidence that proved this theory, and they all discredited it by saying, Oh, it's all circumstantial, but now they're starting to be like, okay, no, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 15:04

Well, I have a I have a plausible explanation for all of this. So what if aliens came down?

SPEAKER_04 15:10

What if transformation? Anunnaki came down and gave them the cube, and it was exactly 2.5 feet wide.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Bro. But back to the go, the go go blikatechy thing. Uh go blackie, whatever. I can't even fucking say the name. We'll go with that. Yeah, go blackate. But on the sister side, they found out that they were really like sexually because remember we were talking about like, we're not talking about, but you know how like there was those fertility.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

You fucking freaky. The penis statue.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

But they had multiple, they had like a face looking basically the whole bunch of like penis physics basically um by phallic-shaped objects, they were curved like stone edifices with an actual like head of a dick. Like they made a rectangular head of a dick in phalluses, and they were curved and coming out the ground, and they had like a fucking 12,000 years ago, they had a human face, like a human-shaped face, looking down into the pit, and they assumed there's a lot of like rituals where they danced around the phalluses and stuff. Because don't forget, in the ice age, they had those like fucking fertility statues. So before those niggas, they was like just like before those guys, they were the dick people.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

Huh?

SPEAKER_01 16:07

You scream watching like Freaky Hentai or something? Oh yeah, 12, 12,000 year old fucking. It's crazy. I mean, they probably did orgies. Orgies aren't like a new thing. It's it was probably some kind of fertility site or something. But it was that they found, and the craziest part is like in like the more ritualistic like church sites, I don't know that.

SPEAKER_05 16:23

Actually, a lot of prehistor had partners.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

I would assume so. Yeah. But basically, they still dabbled in orgies, surely.

SPEAKER_05 16:29

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

But another part to that was like in these sites, it was like it was found that like in the more like what you would consider like Aztecan like monuments, they had like rock, like rock human figures without faces. But in the more like urban, not urbanized, in the more like de um in where you would find like potters and niggas who made spears and stuff, they would actually take the time to make faces on the object. So there was like a clear distinction of like artistry and like construction in uh what's the word? Form, like feet like form versus function. Yes. So basically in the temples, it was very more functional, just like pillars that stood for something, very like bland. But when you go to like more of like the residential areas, you would see they would actually take time where there was like carving tools to carve out faces, and they took the time to do that 12,000 years ago. So it already shows more of like, because when you think about like how like the Greeks and the Egyptians like started to like get more into like face and stuff, we already had like I don't say we already, but like we of course it's been lost to time, but the this evidence has been discredited shows that like we were communicating with each other on a wider scale than thought before. And because when you really think about it, you think of the Silk Road, but because like that's where they kept discrediting them. Because like the Silk Road is like the main point of like that's when the civil civilization began. But they're saying these are they're evidence of 12,000 years ago. There were massive civilizations, and the craziest part, these sites were intentionally, they were intentionally buried, and no one knows why they were intentionally buried. That's why they were so well preserved. It wasn't lost like erosion, like erosion did help, but like you could tell it was physically by design covered under dirt, which is what preserved them for 12,000 or 15,000 years. You know what? Like, and that was so interesting because that means like they said they said fuck, buried all the evidence, a new civilization goes on top of it. So, but what made them say fuck? Like, but then there's like, but you know, there's a whole bunch of like different extinction events. Like, you remember that one uh time that the China, early China, early Africa, early Europe, like that volcano exploded, like and crossed the world, like everything got dark for like a year and a half. Like shit like that. They're assuming stuff like that happened.

SPEAKER_04 18:38

I was gonna say, sometimes when I'm playing Minecraft, I just get bored and I leave my old house. It could have been what that is. It's like buried.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

You just bury an entire city?

SPEAKER_04 18:46

I mean, they looked at it, they're like, this shit's not good enough. Let's go move somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Let's go with the Anunnaki. Let's go build some fucking pyramids. Let's go chill out with the Yukubians, bruh. But it's gonna build pyramids, bro. But I just think it's so cool that like the the early British, the early Irish, and the early.

SPEAKER_05 19:01

How long ago do you think that was?

SPEAKER_01 19:02

It was 12,000 years ago. 12,000. Well, 15.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

12015. 12,000. And like the the structures they lived in were like buried by the earth, you said. They buried they buried them themselves. They intentionally buried them. They buried them. How do you know how do you how do we know they buried it?

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Because it was already under sediment by design. Basically, you could they they can account for erosion, and this was like, no, they actually buy because it was like left in place. Like if you're imagine when you're like burying it like a casket or like for like for like ancient funerals, like if you're gonna bury something, everything stays in place. It wasn't like knocked over, it wasn't like out of place.

SPEAKER_05 19:32

Well, the earth still settles.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

The earth still settles, but like you would everything would be knocked over and disarrayed. It was organized burials and like you just left it there.

SPEAKER_04 19:38

How do they know what happens to something that's like buried on accident in 12,000 years?

SPEAKER_01 19:43

In upright vases and all your tools perfectly lined up on a fucking workbench death, and the only thing that's different is this dirt's piled on top.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

Well, you can assume I was gonna say because I think about this like a lot, actually. What? So, like, you know, basically roughly 10,000 years, most of 10,000 years to BC East, like 8,000. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, just hear me out. Okay. So let's say 10,000 years from now, most of our cities, bridges, skyscrapers, you couldn't like find them via archaeology. They'd be like wiped out. Like eroded, yeah. Completely eroded and decayed to where it's like it's just part of the earth again.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Yeah. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 20:18

See, right? Um, the only thing that remains really is like plastic and radioactive material in mines and like structures we make underneath the earth. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like it actually takes like a hundred thousand years for plastic to finally break down, and then like millions more for cave systems we make. Yeah, that's crazy. Like in mines to actually get covered up by the earth because you don't have like slow tectonic plates moving.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:38

So, like, but you know, Earth is 4.6 or some shit like billion years old.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

It's like, bro, imagine if there were just like like civilizations we just never can ever know about.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

I believe that, but that's the same as the dinosaurs and the fossil fuel. How do you like there's a good chance like some of the fuel we're using is people fuel? There is value.

SPEAKER_05 20:59

Yeah, because it's you can think about think about this too. It's so rare. It is like less than a 5% chance or some shit that you act, like some anything actually gets preserved. Yeah. Even bones.

SPEAKER_04 21:09

It's probably it's just like that's what I was gonna say. Like, there's so much of the fossil record that's just completely blank that no one knows about.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

That's also why they believe this also would be buried because it was so well preserved. It's like this wasn't. Yeah, that's that's a good theory. Yeah. Yeah. Was it just like half-hazard? It's like, no, you you definitely buried this shit on purpose. Like, you don't just bury a city under like a city just just as you get buried under dirt. They probably moved.

SPEAKER_05 21:29

I'm just thinking, like, if there were. Why would they bury your shit though? What if there were just like civilizations before us that like killed themselves, you know?

SPEAKER_04 21:36

Like ritualistic suicide, like Jonestown, maybe? Well, no, no, no. Just like like What if they advanced to the point of having nukes to wipe each other out and then everything spread from scratching?

SPEAKER_05 21:44

And like half a million years later. Yeah. Or not no, half a billion years later. You know, it's like, yeah, full reset. And then we we never there's no way we know about that.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Realistically, it would only need to be like fifteen, twenty thousand years, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 21:55

Almost like on some like a No, but radioactive material and plastic would be left if they had plastic and they'd probably. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm saying like half a billion years later is when everything is like there's no trace of plastic or radioactive material or anything whatsoever. So you're saying like that whole caves.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

So like the Einstein thing of like sticks, like you think we've we we we brought ourselves to sticks like at least once other time before and built ourselves back up?

SPEAKER_05 22:16

I I I don't I don't think it probably, but I'm like like it's it's a cool theory. It's gonna say like speculate. Yeah, I mean it's a cool thing to think about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

If it happened, it probably wasn't humans either. It was probably something completely different.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

Yeah, a different civilization, but intelligent civilization.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Yeah, because it'll basically be like aliens to us. Because I mean we I mean the fact that the government has acknowledged aliens, we can't rule out that someone did place us here by design.

SPEAKER_05 22:36

Like that's just a statistically, it's more likely somebody placed us here than evolution.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

It's a non-zero chance. What if the aliens are the other civilization that was here, but they actually got away and they flew off into space and now they're coming back? So they buried this and they're just coming home. Well, the thing is a movie about that. Probably.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Okay. Okay. I'm not I'm not trying to give as much credence to like podcasters, but Joe Rogan has had a couple of like Air Force guys who have talked about the alien shit. And from what they are accounting when they've had these experiences and their interactions with it, and the fact that we now know, like our My Dad said he saw a UAP when he was in the Navy. I think I believe it. Our military sees this shit all the time because they do patrols.

SPEAKER_05 23:12

And they're all around the world.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Yeah. And so basically, like from what they have said and what I can understand, like these beings tele they communicate telepathically, and they have like a like, I don't want to say a stop time, but they can fuck with your senses to where you are like halted. Like, you know how like Sue stopped fucking uh what the fuck is like she had physically stopped him. Like they have some kind of like reality altering effect where they can just pause a nigga.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

Maybe a better example is like the Ben and Jezeret.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Yeah. Like the Oh, when they do like the big talking thing. Yeah, they have like a voice, and like they can just get you to just like, hey, cause they they because the guy who was freaking out be like, hey, look, don't freak out, but I need your help. And he was like, what the fuck? Because like, you know, almost like a sleep paralysis theme, the guy just kind of shows up, like he materialized in front of him. Like he saw a shape, he walks away. It's the witness. And then the voice is like, hey, don't freak out. I need your help. I crashed. It's literally the witness.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

It was a weather balloon.

SPEAKER_05 24:11

My ass. A Chinese weather balloon.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

But uh, I just I don't know. I mean, I think we're gonna get some more information on aliens within the next 10 years. I I because you can't, the cat's out of the bag now. Like, we talk about the SU shit, but like you as the world superpower, you can't just drop some shit like, yeah, there's aliens. I still don't believe it. I think I think there's just I I definitely don't believe it. You think because they said it, you don't believe it? Or like what what about it do you not believe? Like it's it doesn't make sense. What what about?

SPEAKER_04 24:42

I'll just I'm just curious. If there was a civilization that was intelligent enough to fly that far and come here, why would they have to be like Why not just make themselves known? Why would they come here and just fuck off?

SPEAKER_05 24:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

Who's who said they're fucking holding? Maybe we're just not intelligent.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Why would they only talk to world leaders and not make themselves known to everyone else? Uh same thing. I I I my speculation is like A, it could be like the same thing you do with like most you said like aggression. It's like sizing up your opponent. And it's not saying like they're not. It's not sizing up your opponent. Yeah, you're sizing up is in like diplom diplomacy.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

If you're able to come all the way over here, why do you even care about being diplomatic?

SPEAKER_05 25:22

Um, just I mean that's the aggression theory I was like talking about.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

Yeah, there's like no reason because like you'd come all the way over here. It's just like if you have the need to come all the way over here, why would you even talk to us?

SPEAKER_05 25:32

It's like the opposite of the don't blow yourself up with nuclear weapons. Okay, boy.

SPEAKER_04 25:35

Yeah, like if if if we were capable of communicating with animals and we discovered some random island that has like fucking frogs on it or something, what do we have to learn from those frogs? What the fuck are we gonna go talk to the frogs about? Nothing. Just learn. I mean, there's not shit to talk to. You don't think there's at least Do you think we're gonna go over there and be diplomatic with the fucking frogs? We're not gonna be diplomatic with the frogs. But you're putting a shit.

SPEAKER_05 25:55

You're gonna build a nuclear reactor on that island too.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Exactly. I will say you're putting a human lens on it. I think there is there's a there's a there's a um I mean, I mean we'll look at stuff from a human lens. That's the only perspective I mean. Who's the who's the black science nigga? I'm Neil Degrasse Tyson. I don't, yeah, I'm not the biggest Neil Degrasse Titan glazer, but one of the things he did say that was like it was a valid point, is like, okay, because we look at things through a human lens, we can see aggression through a human lens, because most of the things on our planet uh survive through aggression. I'm not even saying like an aggression thing. No, I'm just I'm just saying like the the will to survive comes from wanting to pursue it more than the things around you. Yeah. He's like, well, if you come from an environment that's like not from Earth, like you have different resources, different materials, that mindset also could change as well. So who knows? There might just be like fucking, like just like some like mind being like we just we're just here to observe. Like some just some watchers shit. Just like we just want to watch.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Like, we have no- If they're just here to watch, why would they talk to the president of the United States and stuff?

SPEAKER_05 26:54

Dude, you should do this, be mad fucking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:56

Yo, I gotta. I just I'm just speculating. I I think But you see what I'm saying though? Like, if if that's the case, like there's always lots of like, okay, but if they're doing that, why would they do that instead of something gets?

SPEAKER_01 27:06

But then there's been multiple sides of like, you hear about the alien sighting in Florida that everyone was just like there was like the entire mall saw aliens just like. That's stupid as shit I've ever heard. What? I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, exactly. So it's the fireworks that went off. That's what the police said, but like Why would nobody take a photo? They did, but they said the cameras didn't work. But like at 500 Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

This is They were like, dude, there's so many police that pulled up. It doesn't make any sense. Why would there be so many police? Because they said it was a fucking shooting. Why would you not want the cops to pull up to a mall during a shooting? Wait, what? Yeah, because people were like, dude, it doesn't make any sense why are there so many cops here? Like, yeah, everyone heard gunshots. What the fuck are you talking about? Of course there would be a lot of police there. What?

SPEAKER_01 27:45

The people there said there were no gunshots. And I'm like, Yeah, they said there were fireworks. Like, what that's what the cops said, but the people said there weren't. There were people that said there were fireworks. Some people said there weren't. What the fuck are y'all talking about? In Florida and Miami, around like two or three years ago, there was like a mass hysteria alien site. The official record is like fireworks potentially.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

But the people there, the the people that that said they saw aliens, there's there's enough people saying they saw aliens, but there's like there's an entire mall full of people that were evacuated and they had like the entire building surrounded by cops and shit. And the people I don't know, I haven't seen that. I'm actually surprised.

SPEAKER_05 28:14

I just heard about a recent illusion was aliens.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

Yes, because everyone's like, dude, we saw this like creature that was like eight feet tall walking around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:22

This is Miami. It could just be a dude in a costume.

SPEAKER_04 28:25

Like, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck. Like, why is that what people are jumping to? Like, why would they assume there's a fucking alien walking around this random mall in Miami? Was it on a fucking vacation? Why the fuck was he here? It was there for the strippers, bro.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

In the mall. You gotta get the clothes for the house. Nigga, you don't know about drip. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

The inner machinations of their mind. Why the fuck the aliens would come here just to go to the mall? They must have the fucking labor malls in the universe. Why are you going to the mall? To shop. To chill. To go to the food court. Do they just like not have that shit where they're from? Like they came all the way here to.

SPEAKER_05 29:04

They don't got that shit, bro. Hey, Miami is a big tourist spot.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

I mean, I guess. You're not wrong. They also have really cool, like, green infrastructure. Maybe it comes from a place with no trees, and like the fact that Miami Mall has like all that.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

Why is it not going to a natural thing?

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Yeah, why would you go to like one of the least tree tree places out there? You don't go to like the woods? You don't want to see the hose, too?

SPEAKER_01 29:23

You get both. Like you go to Amazon Rainfalls, we can look at bear booty, bestiality?

SPEAKER_02 29:29

I don't think actually.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

I think happy sex an alien is bestiality. But what if they're a baddie though? So you're saying Debbie committed to the same thing. So you're saying Debbie. Wait, so hold on. So you're saying Debbie committed bestiality with omni- Oh.

SPEAKER_04 29:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

By definition, yes. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Well, actually.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

Scientifically, they produced fertile offspring together. So they're the same species.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

So? They're not the same species.

SPEAKER_05 29:53

They're the same species. No. They procreated. They made offspring. They're literally not the same species. The same species.

SPEAKER_04 29:59

No, they're not. They're close enough. It's like a dog.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

Scientifically, they're the same species. They made fertile offspring.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

You can have a fertile mule. That doesn't make it like a lot of people. Mules are infertile by most are. Not all. I'm pretty sure all mules are. There's always the slim possibility it's going to be fertile. Got two motherfuckers fat checking. That's what we have the internet for, bro. Crazy.

SPEAKER_05 30:21

We literally touched base with this on like a previous episode.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

Yeah, we're like, there's a slim chance that the Oh, 99.9% are sterile. That's what I'm saying. Mark was in the 0.01%. Who found the one mule, nigga? Was he? No, because they spoilers for invincible. Yeah, I know. Okay. I I I'm aware, but I'm just saying, like, they were all lucky.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:43

They all had to fix that they got.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

But that's the thing. If two mules mate, then nothing happens at all. So like. Well, biologically speaking, it could. No, they're saying nothing happens with two. Basically, with one, that's like a lucky chance. So it has to be like another horse. Yeah, it's a fucking horrible.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

But it can't. Well, they're saying if it's a 0.9, if it's 99.9% chance the offspring makes me one. And then you put two 99s together, it's a zero. Well, they don't know that. Because you know how small the odds of that happening.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

Well, did you just say the old people that have reproduced have been with horses?

SPEAKER_04 31:14

No, I'm saying that's. Can you find what the odds of that happening twice are? What are the odds of that happening twice twice?

SPEAKER_01 31:20

I'll chat GPT that shit. Okay. Give me like your exact like wording so I can get it right. What are the odds that two? I'm not asking Chat GBC. Two mules. Do the math, bro.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

What's the math, nigga? 99 point wait, 0.01 times 0.01. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 31:41

Okay. Times 100. It's a 0.01% chance.

SPEAKER_04 31:46

No, it's the same thing. Yeah, no, we're not looking. Don't don't multiply it by 100.

SPEAKER_05 31:50

Did you square it? No, it is square.

SPEAKER_04 31:52

Yeah, I guess it would be. Cents, hundreds, thousands. Did you multiply by a one in a one million chance?

SPEAKER_01 31:56

It's already a percent, though. One in one million chance.

unknown 31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

No, that's the oh you're right. It's a 0.1%. 10, 100,000 million? Uh is that right? Something like that. Man, I don't know. Yeah, it's fucking disappointed.

SPEAKER_04 32:08

You got a 0.0001%. Yeah, it's the millionth. Which means it's possible.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

One in one million, bro. One in one trillion.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

Crazier things have happened.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Think of it. Like aliens in a mall. What were these crazy things?

SPEAKER_04 32:21

Shut the fuck up. That's my shit. Title card. What are the odds that you were born? It's like one in like 13 trillion or something.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Okay, actually, I will, I will actually how many sperm are in a single shot of cum? That is not what I said, but that's really what you just said.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

That is not what I just said. There's a lot more that goes into you being born than just which sperm hit the egg. Okay, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 32:41

Or the stars are Alfonso, the day. The ovum that was fertilized.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Who was the dad? Who was the mom?

SPEAKER_05 32:50

I mean that sounds so bad out of the country.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

I don't know. I don't know either. That's what's there's like a one in 13 trillion chance that you you are born at any given moment. So like that's that's even actually it's 50-50.

SPEAKER_05 33:10

I'm either born or I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 33:11

Oh, I like Shroding this. Actually, at any given time, I'm both born and not born at the same time. God. But anyways, it's possible, is my point. It's still bestiality. And aliens are also possible at that to that same time. That's what I'm saying. It's bestiality, but it's like it's all at aside. That's that's how that's all it is. Okay. We need to put that on, we need to keep John on records say it's bestiality. But it's a Vilcher Mite and a human. Like, are we really gonna like this is J.K. Simmons? He can have sex, so it's fine. J.K. Simmons can fuck. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Like it's that's fine. You know, I'm fine with that. Like Goku, I'm not gonna say it's yeah, also I guess Boma did do bestiality. Yeah. And Chi Chi. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

No, bro, they're the same species.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

They're not the same fucking species.

SPEAKER_04 33:54

They are. So you're saying the same exact species fertile offspring. So you're saying the same exact species happen to develop on two opposite sides of the universe. Possible. That's non-zero chance. It's a non-zero chance, nigga. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I wonder what the odds of that shit happening are. Okay. Anyways, no, the mall wasn't fucking visited by aliens.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Could have been. It's a non-zero chance, nigga. I'll take it. All right, bro. Non-zero.

SPEAKER_05 34:23

Actually, believe that.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

I don't know. I just like to think so. I like to say. You know, I don't know. There's like 500 niggas there. You know, they could all been all fent or fucking oxygen.

SPEAKER_05 34:34

It wasn't even all of them, though.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

It was like a good number.

SPEAKER_04 34:37

Is it people from the buried city? Do they just get lost and go to another place with sand? Gooby. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Aliens, nigga. Unidentified flying objects with intelligence. I think they're just dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_05 34:49

Actually, the politically accurate term now is UAP. That's so gay. United. UFO's offensive.

SPEAKER_04 34:56

Bro, I'm a slur and alien. Yeah. I like aliens. I think they're neat. I want to meet an alien.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

That would be an alien.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

I think it'll be I don't know, like an alien and a dinosaur. What if an alien is? Actually, I would like that question. Can I put some thought into that, actually?

SPEAKER_05 35:11

I actually want to put some thought into that. It'll take a good like minute or two.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

Yeah, what's up? That's my question.

SPEAKER_05 35:16

What's up?

unknown 35:17

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 35:18

What? Like, how are you doing? It's rude not to start off with a question, like, hey, like, hey, how are you? Manners and shit? Are you just gonna walk up to an alien and be like, tell me about your fucking civilization? Like, no. What if that's polite to me?

SPEAKER_01 35:30

That's not polite. Obviously, you have questions like what the fuck? What if it's not polite and he goes, ugh, what the fuck's wrong with you?

SPEAKER_04 35:36

Get this fucking plebe away from me. Ew. Give me someone with some class.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Get this motherfucker away from me. Getting moged by an alien would be the funniest shit ever, bro.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

What if there was an alien species that came down here, but they all looked exactly like you, but like slightly more handsome.

SPEAKER_05 35:54

You know what I mean? I mean, I could fit in.

unknown 35:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

I'll just be like the ugly duckling.

SPEAKER_05 36:00

It's like an uncanny valley.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Yeah, they'd look at you be like.

SPEAKER_05 36:06

Slightly better looking than me, dude. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

No, they've like because like that's slightly different to us, like they'd look at you and be like so used to seeing that face of like.

SPEAKER_05 36:15

Oh, they're all like clones or some shit? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Yeah, almost like asexual reproduction type shit. They all look the same. It's like those are certain animals that look identical. Yeah. Cause I don't humans all have like slight imperfections on them anyway. So like they would see that one, like the fact that your eyes is a little lower, they're like and just start freaking out. Yeah. Uh if I saw an alien, the first question I would like genuinely ask them is like what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Oh, stop like young niggas are not laughing. I am with so much thought and dude, dude.

SPEAKER_04 36:59

You're thinking about it like the aliens here, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Cause I would really like I would really want to know, like, what do you think brings purpose to all living creatures? Like, like some real good question. Cause like, what it because like they obviously came here, they have a purpose. Like what, like, what like because they're species out there?

SPEAKER_05 37:16

I would ask them like, what is your purpose? Like, why are you here?

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was like, I want to say what the fuck are you doing here? It's a valid question. Yeah. Like, what bring what brings you purpose? Like, what brings purpose to living creatures? Because obviously he's I'm I'm assuming he's seeing more than just us as an alien if he's like traveling.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Let's assuming, let's say, let's just let's assume that you can only ask them one question. Oh, okay. This isn't just the first question. You can only ask them one question. Like some genie shit? Yeah. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 37:40

You only think of our cultures.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

I wouldn't want to ask that question. I'd be like, I wouldn't ask that. And then you leave.

SPEAKER_05 37:48

I just want to know everything they have to say. Because then you get a lot of information out of them. It's like, what do they hold in value? Like, what do they view as civilized?

SPEAKER_04 37:57

You just say you and fly off. Okay. What a dick then. Yeah. I want to talk to them anyway. So you get one question you can ask.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

What are you asking, John? You get one genie question with a species that you'll never.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

You'll probably still say what's up and then like not realize what I said, honestly. I'd probably like think about it after I'm like, oh fuck, I'd use my question.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

Okay, yeah, but like if if you could like prepare for it.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

Oh no, let me think about it. I've been thinking about this. I'd probably be like, um. I don't know. I I'd want to be like Yo, can y'all cure cancer? Can y'all like give me something cool? Please?

SPEAKER_05 38:36

She's asking for something off the rip.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Yeah. I mean, if I can only ask one question, I'd be like, can I just get something cool?

SPEAKER_05 38:41

But if I say no.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

Hands you a neutron star. Yeah, but at least I asked. Hands you a neutron star? This is like a dinner with Jay-Z type thing. Like if an alien comes here and you can ask it any one question, I'd be like, dude, can I get something?

SPEAKER_05 38:55

It just gives you like a snow globe, but it's from like obscure city on their planet.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

That's awesome. You know how much I could sell that shit for? Nothing.

SPEAKER_05 39:02

Nobody would know what the fuck it is.

SPEAKER_04 39:03

No, like everyone knows the aliens here. You think I'm just not gonna record this alien coming in here and like, yo, yo, it's Gleep Glock!

SPEAKER_05 39:10

So then we're still failed. There's gonna be this podcast, right? And they're gonna be like, dude, this guy did not see a fucking alien. Like, why is he recording it and getting a snow globe? Because it's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 39:18

So you're telling me if we got an alien on the Scatcast, people wouldn't believe us? I'd believe it. That's what I'm saying. If you saw an alien like sitting over in this chair over here on the podcast, like smoking weed or something, like we would on Joe Rogan. Puffing the Zaw. That's what I'm saying. Like, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Yeah, no, that would actually be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 39:37

Uh with the question, do you want to try weed? Would you like a weed? Can I get a shot? Yeah. You want to take a shot, bro? Shaw, you won't take a shot. What did you think of your question? If I only get to see him one time, forever, this is your only one question. And then he leaves. He fuck off forever. Unless you can convince him with your question, I guess. Did you have one?

SPEAKER_05 40:01

Where are you from?

SPEAKER_04 40:03

It's like Texas. Israel, I don't know. He's like, yeah, I just flew in. I don't know. Literally.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

He's like, I've been stationed here for a while.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Flew in from Detroit, and boy, are my arms tired.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

One question. Damn, dude. That actually like changes everything. Fuck. One question.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

Self-philosophers were talking back in the day. Dude, let's make this question like a little bit harder.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

Okay, okay. I'll ask I'll ask him a question. Do you believe in a god and do you have a religion? Uh no. Do you oh so no to both then? No. Okay, that must be really I mean, either way. Okay. What if he says yes though? You're answering for the alien.

SPEAKER_04 40:50

He says yes and then he just leaves. No, he says yes and you don't know what his religion is. He's like, yeah, I have a religion.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

I said what and what uh and what is fuck! This genie ass fucking wording, bro.

SPEAKER_05 41:02

Do you also be at Christmas?

SPEAKER_04 41:05

What is Christmas?

SPEAKER_01 41:07

You mean Glimple Stooping?

SPEAKER_04 41:09

Oh yes, we call that life day where I'm from. Life Day, nigga. So it's real? Oh yeah. That's what they call it in Star Wars. They call it Christmas Life Day? Yeah. So they had Chewbacca's son shown for the first time.

SPEAKER_06 41:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

Yeah. That nigga fucks. Chewbacca's a canonical deadbeat. Yeah, his son's name is. Are you so sick?

SPEAKER_01 41:28

His son's name is Lumpy. Oh. I'd probably leave two of my son. We should have been talking about him on the Glob Shido episode. Damn, bro. So he just fucks bitches and leaves? So Han still is a better father than fucking Chewbacca? He also just left. Yeah, I don't know if that's he didn't leave Kylo. He left. He left Kyla? He definitely left.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

So he fucks Leia and Dipps? Kinda.

SPEAKER_05 41:50

Sorta.

SPEAKER_04 41:51

They're still like kind of in contact. A little bit. But he's like having fun.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

He divorces her, or like no, he he breaks off so he can go do more space crime.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

Yeah. Well, she's working for the government.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

Yeah. He's running for fucking senator. Or no, what is it, Chancellor?

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Yeah, he just cries. Star Wars is a fucking mess, bro.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

Yeah. Damn. Hey, forget that stuff though. We're not worried about that. We fuck with Lumpy here.

unknown 42:18

Lumpy.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Let me see what Lumpy looks like.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Imagine Chewbacca, but like fuggly.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Don't say that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

He kind of does look like a fuggler, I'm not gonna lie. That's really funny. He has a wife, too. I forget her name. He fucks too? No, not Lumpy, Chewaka.

SPEAKER_00 42:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

Ew! Damn. I don't like this. I knew he was gross, but like I didn't think you'd like have a visceral reaction to that. I don't like that face. I feel like Darren looks like Darren's. He looks like a shih tzu in that picture. He's he has a shit-eating grin. I just don't like this shit-eating grin. Anyways, you take a lot of time to distract yourself from at what you do now.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

Dude, alien, you wanna see fucking you wanna pet my dog, dude? Dude, you you'd love this thing.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

Ah yes, I love your little hairy creature. I'm gonna take it with me to the moon. She fucking like explodes in space. What'd you do if the alien like stole your dog and then sends you like a fucking FaceTime video of like him blowing it up with a ray gun or something like that? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 43:21

I'd hate aliens.

SPEAKER_04 43:23

Earthling, check this shit out.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

And this one's like, dude, dude, it's gonna be so sick.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Like smoking alien zaw.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

While blowing up your dog with a proton gun?

SPEAKER_04 43:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

We have the special K man Kryptonian ketamine.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Actually, I don't ask if you guys do drugs.

SPEAKER_04 43:53

Like you just like, do you have drugs?

SPEAKER_05 43:56

I mean but if I can't ask Yeah, I got a pocket full of stardust.

SPEAKER_04 44:01

Oh man. I feel like they'd probably like prank you and like give you like a bag of their dandruff or something. Or like fucking like scrape off their fucking dead skin cells off their feet and be like, ah yes, snork this earthling. What if they give you some dune spice though? That shit would hit different. Yeah, you'd be like crippled for life. No, you can you can take the spice. You may be able to take the spice. I ain't taking that shit. I'd be fucked up, bro. I'll be laying in the crib like bro. One of the fucking navigators after that shit. I'd be fucked up. They're fine. No, I thought they were fine. Bro, they're not fine.

SPEAKER_05 44:34

Fucking mutated and shit. They turn into fish. Yeah. Live in jars.

SPEAKER_04 44:39

Yeah. They're in the trailer for the new movie. Awesome. Yeah. I like the way they look though. They kind of just look like. I didn't see them.

SPEAKER_05 44:46

The trailer looked the trailer looked. Nah, I did see the trailer. I don't remember them though. What are they called again? Navigators? Yeah, navigator.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

They're uh guild navigator. They're called guild navigators. They don't really like show them. They kind of just like show the container. The containers just kind of like they're like walking around in a porta potty type thing.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

They were shown in the like the 90s Dune movie.

SPEAKER_05 45:03

Yeah, I like the design there.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah. Uh like this thing?

unknown 45:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

It's like a coffin. Yeah. Sarcophagus. Well, this is the concept art for the newest one.

SPEAKER_04 45:13

Oh. I just fuck with the way they look. Dune's gotta be like one of the worst sci-fi worlds to live in.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Oh, I thought you were gonna say something else. Like one of the worst sci-fi.

SPEAKER_04 45:28

You read the entire books here. Yeah, no, I fuck with Dune. Dune's got a lot of problems, but I I fuck with Dune.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

That shit's gotta suck to live in. I'm not doing it. Dude, we're gonna watch a three-hour space genocide movie.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

That's just gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_05 45:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:42

God. I fucking Dune Messiah is awesome. That shit's gonna be so hilarious. You said it's gonna be the most action-packed movie, too. That book is not action-packed at all. I don't know what the fuck he's cooking up with. Really, it's not? Is it just is it just dialogue, really? Kinda. Okay. I mean, no, there's there's more than that going on though. I mean, because it's a genocide, so I'm like, how is it not action-packed? It happens after the genocide, though. There's a time skip.

SPEAKER_05 46:04

Well, it's probably gonna be like flashbacks and stuff like that. So I assume it's like he's narrating over the movie.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

I assume the first third of the movie is probably gonna be like showing the genocide. Yeah, I think it's probably what it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

That makes sense because it's like a third the length of the first student book.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

And then like then you just see like the fallout repercussions, and then his son being born. Yeah, stuff like that would probably be. Oh, because it's the worm. The worm's a whole separate thing, right? That's like after all, so like he becomes a worm. His son becomes a worm. I mean, it's yeah, yeah. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 46:35

Okay, from like you think they're gonna like try to I don't like that they're saying that it's the like the conclusion or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 46:42

Yeah, I don't like that either.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Because it's part of a trilogy, so I don't really like that. Why wasn't that the whole point then? If it's the conclusion of the trilogy, or what do you think? Well, no, they split the first Dune into two, so it should be four things really for like the full thing. Because there's a third Dune book in that trilogy.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

So what so we're only on book two?

SPEAKER_04 47:00

Yeah. Oh Dune part three is based on the second Dune book.

SPEAKER_05 47:04

Well, even then, didn't he only write Dune Messiah? Because people were like misinterpreting the message of Dune. Yeah, so Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

The third one has different protagonists. What did people think of his son, right? What did Son and Daughter twins?

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Yeah, yeah. What did the what was the misinterpretation of the first people didn't realize you're not supposed to fuck with Paul? Oh, they thought it was like that. It was like a Joker thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:24

Oh, people were also some people were also calling it like Islamophobic back in the day.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Yeah. Which I mean people even today, people were still leaving the movie with that take.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

Religious fanaticism.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

Yeah. I mean, I mean, all that type of shit. Even then, like they're kind of scared of touching on the Islamophobic stuff because they changed the name to Dune Part Three from Dune Messiah and stuff too. So oh, you're right, you're right, you're right. Like scared of how people are gonna interpret that. Yeah, I mean, they also cut out the word jihad from all of it too. Oh, he said jihad.

SPEAKER_05 47:53

They replaced it with holy war.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

Yeah, it's the same shit. It's quietly just the English version of jihad. But like in the book, they say jihad a lot. Like that's like a that's how they describe everything, but that's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

Yeah, because he is the Messiah in their eyes. You know the Hitler scene, right? There's a Hitler scene?

SPEAKER_05 48:09

Oh, he meant Yes, he did tell me about that.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

He mentioned, yeah, there was a guy, a couple of years. There's a guy named Hitler, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

God, I cannot wait. I've if they cut that out, I'm gonna be so upset. That shit is hilarious. He reads, but yeah, there's this Hitler guy that did something very similar. No, it's so funny. Like, he's talking to Stilgar, and Stilgar's like, my lord, these numbers are weak, sir. Like, what's going on? He's like, Why are you telling me to read this? He's only killed millions. He's like, Yes, yes, Stilkar. I I've killed 70 trillion. I understand. He's like, Yes, I killed 70 trillion and youth and like and sterilized a hundred more or some shit. So he literally wants to pull entire planets and sterilize our population. Like, that's just crazy. That is fucked. He's literally like Mecha Hitler.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

He said, I think he's Hitler prime at this point. I think he's putting up no, he's Hitler prime. Yeah, like Hitler wishes he could be.

SPEAKER_05 48:59

I don't think he could compare him to Hitler.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

Yeah. I mean, Hitler's got like a percent of his kills, not even, no, less than a percent. Like less than a percent.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

He got like a point zero. Hitler's a fucking little bitch boy compared to him, dude.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

Yeah, plus Hitler killed himself. This nigga still died on his feet. He died on his feet. What's crazy is they both wanted to kill the Jews. Jews exist and Dune, yeah. What's that fucking meme of the black hand and the white hand just napping each other up?

SPEAKER_04 49:22

From Predator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's like a random plot thing from like the last Dune book he wrote. He's like, Yeah, the Jews have been alive when their religion is the exact same as it was on Earth. They've just been living underground on this random planet.

SPEAKER_05 49:38

Call me a hater, but that's fucking stupid. Yeah, I know. They're like the out of all the people that can rule over Earth, it's the Jews, too.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

Well, they're not on Earth, they're on some they escaped to some random planet and have just been living underground. Hey man, if someone was gonna be like, you turned them into mole people. It's weird. I don't know why they did it. Wait, mole people? They're living underground. You don't go to this. I had a whole different interpretation of it. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck? I'm thinking almost like that's worse than the Islamophobic game. Yeah, it is. It's very funny. Mole people. I don't know if it's supposed to be like him hating on them or liking them, or like they're resilient people. I didn't get that far. I got to the fifth new book. I didn't read the last one, so I don't know how that fits in, but like I just know they randomly pop in in there somewhere, and he wrote it too. It wasn't like some shit his son wrote.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

Dad, what do you mean by this? Yeah, put it in, just do it, just leave it in there. Yeah. Mole people. So there's there's Muslims and so just Christians just don't exist.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

Well, there's they're not Muslims anymore, they have their like their own religion. I I well he has Muslim like parallels, yeah. Muslim parallels they're they're descended from Muslims, like that's literally like ancestrally, that's where they come from. The um like the the Fremen and stuff, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what they're based, like descended from, is like literally just the mum.

SPEAKER_01 50:53

So that's how so weird that the Jews and the so the like the the middle group is just absent from the book, though.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Well, I'm assuming they just changed their religion and stuff, like they probably became like agnostic or atheist after a while. I mean yeah, after seeing all this shit, I bought it. That's what I'm saying. I mean, like after a certain point when you go to like space and start exploring all that shit and you see war all the time. I don't know, like interplanetary war is like, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_05 51:15

I mean, Christians are already like the fastest diminishing religion. No, this this is still the biggest, I thought. Still the biggest, but it's like like most Christians losing the most people the fastest, right?

SPEAKER_04 51:24

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 51:24

Okay, okay. Like, you know, most Christians don't even go to church anymore. Or I don't know about most, but a large amount, like larger than the other two groups.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Okay, okay. I think, yeah, and then Islam is like the fastest growing by that same comparison.

SPEAKER_05 51:36

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

It's weird when niggas go to prison, they turn to Islam. I don't know that's just that's a very common thing. Yeah, I I've I I've I always wanted to ask someone why that's like a thing. I don't get it. I know it's like a disciplined religion, so maybe that's part of the reason why, but like other than that, I've never really understood like gives you something to do five times a day, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

I guess fair enough, shit. Uh that was just like a little small, like just intrusive thoughts. I always just thought I was like like a built-in challenge for a month once out of the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking Nas texted me today about the Diddy? He texted me too.

SPEAKER_05 52:11

Oh, he texted me Eid LeBron. I wished him Mary Eidmus. Is it Mark? Yes, I said Mary Eidmus.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

And then I didn't know what the fuck that was at first. I searched it up on Google and I was like, that's the end of Ramadan. So I was like, go eat, nigga, inshallah. I said Asalamalaikum, or like however you spell it, or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 52:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:28

And then I messaged Fahim Mary Eidmus, bro. How sweet. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 52:35

That sounds very Fahim. I guess Fahim's gonna like end up becoming one of the space Muslims one day.

SPEAKER_05 52:42

That'd be so awesome.

SPEAKER_04 52:43

Yeah. I was gonna say, I feel like the a lot of Christians and stuff probably still ended up breeding into the Fremen stuff. And and honestly. The space Jews, probably too. Well, and also just like everything else.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

It probably just became the Imperium.

SPEAKER_04 52:55

Yeah. Like I would assume so. Yeah, the Empire and like the fucking gross people, the Harkonens.

SPEAKER_05 53:03

Yeah. Oh, Harkonnen. Yeah. Those were the um Baptists. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

Well, like, what okay. One thing I've oh this is like a doom-related question. You're just catching strays. I don't know what to say about. But uh, so in the trailer they explain that like technically Paul is the emperor, but no one wants to accept it. Why do they not accept that? Do they go more What was your question? Technically, Paul is the emperor. Like on technicality, he is emperor. Like, you can't dispute that, but like the houses don't accept that. Do they ever explain?

SPEAKER_05 53:30

Because people don't like him. Yeah, they're trying to kill his bloodline before all of that.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

All of them want- I thought just the emperor wanted him gone. I didn't know the entire other house. I thought his house kept him in the game.

SPEAKER_05 53:40

Well, they they they put them on a rack on Arrakis for them to die and get like.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

No, sabotage, yeah. But I thought just the emperor. I was just saying, I thought the emperor in the heart, I thought two out of the 12 hated him.

SPEAKER_05 53:49

Correct me if I'm wrong, but um House uh Atreides was the largest growing house. So they're the strongest house.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

They have the strongest in the in like the best growing like, you know, yeah, you can't just loyal members and yeah, so they just wanted to kill the top dog, basically. Okay, that okay, that's that makes more sense. Because in my head, I was like, because I thought from the first- They didn't view them as a threat, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

Like, that's really what it boiled down to. Yeah. I mean, a lot of other people, A, didn't have any issues with the Emperor. So, like, because if he's not fucking you over, why would you like you know, have any issues with him? So it's like, why would you all of a sudden listen to this new guy just because he killed him? You know, the part of the group you didn't like. Oh, yeah, he didn't kill him. You're right. He just married himself into family or whatever. But yeah, like stuff like that. Like, like, oh, why would I just all of a sudden?

SPEAKER_05 54:33

He beat the emperor's champion.

SPEAKER_04 54:34

Yeah. Why would you start listening to this guy who just like murdered his way into being in charge and then started a genocide? Well, did he start a genocide because of the houses or no? He started the genocide just because he wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

No, I'm saying, did he find a thing?

SPEAKER_05 54:47

That's the way to be like some good reason.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

I mean, he did it because he saw a prophecy. No, I'm saying he had visions of the genocide, so he's like, okay, I'm gonna do the genocide.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

It's no way that's the reason he did it.

SPEAKER_04 54:56

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Stupid, wait. Yes. What I'm asking is did the houses attack him first, pre- or post-genocide? Which one happened first? The houses attacking him or the genocide? Um, kind of at the same time. Oh, so he genocided the houses.

SPEAKER_05 55:12

Okay, it was the only path to secure revenge, seize the throne, and save humanity from a far worse fate.

SPEAKER_04 55:17

Well, whatever that means. Yeah, he's just did it because he's the first one.

SPEAKER_05 55:20

Did that explain it in the book?

SPEAKER_04 55:21

He did it because he saw the prophecy. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

But like, what is the prophecy?

SPEAKER_04 55:24

The far visions of the holy war happening.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

Well, no, he can't the thing is like he could see different versions of the future. So he did the genocide because every other scenario he saw was worse, right? Yep.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Yeah, so like they ever explain the worst scenario, or they don't really. Yeah, they do. What's the worst scenario?

SPEAKER_05 55:40

It's not just because he saw a prophecy. It's in his eyes, he's saving humanity.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

The worst scenario is what his son does.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

It's like a big trolley problem.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

But his son still does that, though, right?

SPEAKER_05 55:47

Yeah, it's like it's like a big trolley problem.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

So he sees his son become the worm god and just wipe out everyone.

SPEAKER_04 55:53

The worst scenario that he sees is what his son does, and then what ends up happening is he stops the whole genocide thing, and then later on, his son's like, I'm just gonna like keep doing it. So he does, he just keeps doing it, and then instead of only happening for 12 years like Paul did it, it happens for like 3,000 years.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

Yeah, and how does his son wipe out all the people? I know he becomes a worm god, but I'm sure like what what the same way that Paul does, he becomes the emperor. So people just follow him. Okay, he's a worm god.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_04 56:25

If you're a fucking worm, I'd follow you. Would you not follow the worm?

SPEAKER_05 56:31

The worm god. Yeah, that's a different story.

SPEAKER_04 56:34

The god emperor. Dude. Yeah, that's where Doom got the name, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

I assume that's what you were thinking of when you said that.

SPEAKER_05 56:41

He said worm. Oh, yeah, that's oh, that's what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_04 56:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that makes more sense. I thought you were like, for some reason I saw you was like, oh, Doom.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

Okay, and so when the sun does the 3,000-year genocide, who is he killing exactly? Um, anyone who doesn't follow under his rule. Is he like what actually do I have to explain like what he believes in? Like, I can I'm not sure. Himself. He makes them worship him. So if they believe in any other type of god or deity.

SPEAKER_05 57:08

Damn it's literally the emperor.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Yeah, pretty much, yeah. But like he's not just like a big worm, he's also like a superhuman.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

The thing is, like, in 40k, the emperor of mankind was a huge atheist. Like he became a god because it's the only way to get people to follow you.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

That's literally.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

Well, no, no, no. He didn't even he didn't even want to be venerated as a god, but um, after he died, that changed. Like everybody worshipped him as a as a deity, and then the ecclesiarchy took over Holy Terra.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

That's and then basically what the worm does too.

SPEAKER_05 57:39

Because the Emperor is kind of like not kind of like Paul, but like basically it's like uh where the people after him kind of fuck everything, like all of his plans over.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

They misinterpret him?

SPEAKER_05 57:48

Yeah, sort of. It's like and I think the lords of terra just realized, like, oh, if we just make a religion, out of this people were like totally. They co-op. It's called co-oping. But thing is, the emperor was like opposed to religion, except for when it came to my faction, the mechanicus, because he knew the only way to win over the mechanicus was to convince them if he was the omniscience, like the wrath, like the like the um the son of the machine god or some shit. Yeah, so he can he plants a so there's this species called the Necrons. They're like robot, like necromancer skeleton guys. He plants like a Necron demigod in the cer in the center of Mars and convinces them it's like the machine god and shit. And it makes this religion and makes himself the omniscience, so they follow him and make his machines of war because they're like the factories of the Imperium.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

That's so funny. It literally is just like Dune with them going through and like planting different stuff with religion and everything. That's so funny. It's crazy like how they all like influence each other, and it's like so clearly like, yeah, Star Wars is so heavily based on Dune, Warhammers based on Star Wars and D.

SPEAKER_05 58:47

Well, the Emperor had like 19 or something kids, yeah. And he didn't like intentionally plant them throughout the galaxy. He wanted to raise them all in Holy Terra and then do a crusade.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:56

But like the chaos gods swept in and spread them out across the galaxy. So his crusade became, I'm gonna go around reclaiming my sons. Yeah. And then his sons became his generals.

SPEAKER_04 59:05

And that's kind of like how the worm is.

SPEAKER_05 59:08

He doesn't really that's not really 40k, by the way. That's Taurus Heresy, 30k. 30k. But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

Like he doesn't view himself as a god either. He just like, I just have to make other people view me as a god.

SPEAKER_05 59:18

The emperor of mankind, though, basically is a god. He's the most powerful like wizard there is.

SPEAKER_04 59:22

And that's how it is with worm.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

So he's the only guy who's a worm. He's also something called the perpetual. So whenever he dies, he reincarnates. So like he's been every single influential being in history. Like, he was Jesus, he was Moses, he was he was Alexander the Great, he was probably Hitler, he was George Washington.

SPEAKER_04 59:39

That's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:43

He canonically actually was uh Genghis Khan. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 59:47

Back to the worm. Why would you possibly look like both George Washington and Genghis Khan?

SPEAKER_05 59:51

Well, he takes a different physical form every time he reincarnates. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:53

I thought he was like just doing yellow face or something when he went to Genghis Khan.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

No, so back to the worm thing. So it comes down to more of like a necessary evil mindset. That's how he sees it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:05

He's like, oh, I'm doing such a good for the fucking universe by being worshipped as a god. Like, I'm doing such a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

Because everyone that follows him, they live in peace and harmony.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

Yeah, exactly. He sees it as a good thing because he's like, oh no, like if you just listen to me, like you're gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

Because other religions, they fight, they bicker, they squabble because my God is right. And he's like, if I am God and I say don't do that shit and chill the fuck out. Yeah, that's exactly what I was just trying to figure out like, is it corrupted in a way, or is it more just like I you have to be the necessary force? It's more being the necessary force.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:40

I don't even remember his empire being that fucked up, other than the whole genocide thing, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

To get people on his side, basically.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:45

Yeah, like I think if you're in his empire, like you're actually like probably fine for the most part. You just it just wants you to worship the worm.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

And is that just like going to a temple, just be like, I believe in the worm god and call it a day?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

Yeah, because I mean, um I'm trying to remember specifically like what the reason is.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:59

Yeah, Lisa Nal Ghaib, brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:01

Yeah, basically they they talk about Paul like he's like Moses, basically, like the one beforehand. Yeah, they're like, Oh, yeah, that was the Moadi from a long time ago, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:11

Who brought us the worm, the father of the worm? Yeah, like they almost view him as like uh uh like a like almost like the the Mary to uh Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

I was gonna say almost like a reverse Moses almost because they still yeah, because they're almost like, yeah, he's still like the worm is still kind of fucked up, but like we're gonna worship him though. The people, yeah. Like it's so their the their way they view him is so like weird. Is that Duncan Idaho's perspective? Because he's no, this is like like the people's perspective, like they view him as like they view him as a god, but they view him as like a malevolent god, like uh, but they still worship him, like a Norse would ass tech guy where like they will kill you, but it's like they are also but you want to stay in his good graces, yeah. Yeah, it's it's kind of like that. Okay, it's really weird. Like that whole book is like 400 pages of him just talking about his philosophy. It's so weird. Like, how do you get the other people's perspective? Is that just him like reading their minds, or how do you get the other perspective? The way the Dune books are formatted, they don't have like chapters. You'll have like 15 to 20 pages of like one character's point of view, and then you'll jump to another one. Okay. That whole book is like you have like 30, 40 pages of the worm, or what feels like 30, 40 pages, then you'll have like 20 minutes of someone else is like the main character or whatever in the book. Okay, and then it'll go back to like 30, 40 pages of the worm, and then it'll like do like just literally is like the worm talking about like why it's a good thing he's being worshipped, why religions have done nothing but like cause harm throughout like all this other shit going on as he's a religion causing harm. Yeah, exactly. But he's like, Oh no, I'm I'm bearing the cross for like what everyone else must do. Like he's like viewing himself as a martyr, he's fixing, he's a fixer.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:52

Yeah, that's what they all say though.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:54

But it's weird because it's like he's not expecting to live forever, like he knows he's gonna die someday, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:58

So it's like I'm But 3,000 years is a pretty long fucking time to be in charge.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:02

Well, yeah, and like it's because he he can't die of normal causes, he has to be like murdered and stuff. There's like very few things that can actually kill him. Oh so that's what he's like. He's like one day someone's gonna just like wise up and kill me, but it hasn't happened yet. Wise up, okay. I don't know. Maybe I'm like misremembering it because it's been a while since I've read that book. And like I said, that's like a very deep book, I guess. Like it's it's like not deep, like uh compound. I I guess I'm trying to think of like the right word layer dense, dense, yeah. It's a very dense book where it's like you're supposed to like read there and like comprehend the philosophy and shit while you're like in the middle of reading all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Oh brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:41

And it's like I don't even remember why they want to kill him to begin with either. Paul or the worm. The worm. Like, I just like think Duncan Idaho wants to kill him, right? Because Duncan is still alive. Because they're just like they don't they don't fuck with worshiping him, I guess. Like I don't remember him doing anything that's like oppressive to the people, you know what I mean? I just remember him spin dashing at one point when the worm spin dashed. I lost my shit. Like I actually like laughed my ass off.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

How do they write because you don't see the fucking picture? What do you say? I just like I just fucking went crazy style on them. Spin dashed?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:15

Yes, the worm spin dashed.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

It was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:17

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:18

The spin dash, like when Sonic like rolls into a ball. Oh, yeah, like he does that at one point.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:22

It's fucking devastating.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

He like he's so fat, he's like job of the hut, so he doesn't usually move. He kind of just like gets like drug around on a cart by like a bunch of people, and then there was like an attack, and like he jumps off the cart, spin dashes into the cart, and knocks it into a crowd of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

Oh my god, this is fucking Aaron Jaeger. Yeah. So, okay, so basically this is like the Google synopsis. It's they want to kill Leto the second in Dune because of his 3,000 five year, 3,005 year, 500 year long tyrannical rule. Uh, he stagnated humanity. So, like, I guess he doesn't allow them to like develop new tools.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:59

Okay, that that's part of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:01

He monopolized the spice and he suppressed freedom, which is yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:06

But he's not doing anything that crazy. Like, he's just like, just live life as it is, don't innovate, pretty much. He's like, just don't try to find new purpose. I'm your purpose. Like, shit. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, bitch. Don't say shit against me. Like, as long as you do shit like that, you're fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

So I mean I would fuck with worm. Is that yeah, it says his his uh Leto's piece resulted in 3,500 years of boredom boredom and lack of innovation. Siona Atreides and popular in particular was groomed to lead a rebellion to kill him and break the stagnation. So she's from his family is his daughter, or who's Siona? Just a descendant. So one of his kids.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:51

He's been alive for so many years that he's had like different generations of kids over time, if that makes sense. So like his kids would be alive now and also 3,000 years ago. So she's a descendant of one of those, like from somewhere in those generations in between. She's not like his kid. Direct. So great, great, great, girl. She's descended from him somehow, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Yeah, she's in a trade. So of his lineage. So one of his children was like groomed to kill him. Was she like groomed by him, or was just a random insurgency group? Yeah, I don't think she was groomed by him. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Little knew he had to die to unleash humanity. His death was necessary for the scattering, the mass migration of humanity. So he keeps everyone in like a box. Because it's easier to control. The mass migration to start ensuring that no single power could control him again. I'm so I'm lost. So why do you keep them caged just so they could break out? What's what's the logic?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:52

He wants the mindset to change, from what I remember. You don't you don't think like the desire for innovation and all that stuff, I think is what he wants to do. You just want to use it to hurt each other, is used to free yourself and like now you have the chance to go out there and do something right for you. Because you've been killed and oppressed this entire time. You know you don't want it. Yeah. Now you know like what freedom feels like, I guess, type thing. I don't know if you need three 350 generations for that, but I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

Yeah. Restoring the desert spice cycle by transforming Arrakis into a lush parasite paradise. Leto killed the original sandworms, making himself the last keeper of the spice. His death in water was intended to turn his body into countless sand trout. He turns into sandworms. Sand trout are like baby sandworms, yeah. Okay, which would turn the green world back into a desert, allowing the worms to return and as so like basically no one could do like navigation shit or get psychic powers anymore. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:55

Okay, I think there's still spice, but it's all produced by him. He just shits out spice. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

I mean, that's all spice is, it's just worm shit. Okay. Breaking the prescient hold. Even after his death, his consciousness lived on in the new worms. Yes. Later characters like Ben Jesser. Ben and Jesser, like the Ben and Jesserit sought to break the remaining influence of his present dream over the universe. Dude, this nigga just needs to go sleep. Like the fact that he's just like so persistent, like he just goddamn. So you're the worm or the author? The son. Oh. I mean, I guess the author making like this like the son of the genocider will basically suffer and languish in infin infinitum. Infinitum. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. What a what a book.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:49

Yeah. What a fucking book. There's a reason people say Dune is like very hard to adapt, honestly. I don't know how they're gonna do the later stuff. I'm sure they will, but probably like some Netflix or Amazon show. I I still don't think you can do the worm shit. I honestly don't see how you can make a whole movie or show out of that. Just like talking about philosophy with a giant worm in front of you. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:10

Make a podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:11

Dude, that'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:13

Hey guys, welcome back to the worm cast. Damn. This one's all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

No, actually, it actually stayed pretty grounded from like the it's basically just like things either before or after our time. It's all just speculation because we don't know. We don't know what's gonna come in the future. We don't we really can't tell exactly what happened in the past. So it was very still worms back there.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:33

That's probably how that shit got buried, to be honest. Maybe that's why they didn't want us to find the worm. They don't want us to release the worm. If we release the worm, the Alaskan bull worm is coming for all of you. Fucked. Yeah. Thank you for watching and listening and also for liking and subscribing because you're gonna do that, right? But we appreciate it. We'll see you next time and bye. Peace.